Need front Camber Plates

[chili cheese]

I have to reduce my outside tire wear, improve turn-in and limit understeer. I want to use camber plates only, no springs, coilovers, etc. at this point. I'd prefer adjustable plates, but some of those come in cool colors and are probably a dead giveaway at the dealership during regular maintenance? I don't need to be flagged.

Adjustable plates that I've read about include:
1. Vorshlag
2. Ground Control
3. Does Turner make some that are not listed?
4. Others?

Fixed Plates:
1. Dinan
2. Others?

Also, is there a camber plate only solution out there that doesn't raise the front ride height? If no, how much does each set raise the height and is this just an aesthetic issue?

Thanks!

[Mavrick151]

What level of adjustably are you looking for?

[kitw]

There are no camber plates except the Dinan plates that work with stock diameter springs.

First thing to try is to remove the front camber pins. that should get you -0.7 more camber. On stock springs, you'll probably get to -1.3 or there abouts. Beyond that is going to be replacing shocks and springs with something height adjustable or using the Dinan plates (which really only raise the car 1/4")

[chili cheese]

Originally Posted by Mavrick151

What level of adjustably are you looking for?

Wanted to get at least -1.5 or -2 degrees.

[chili cheese]

Originally Posted by kitw

There are no camber plates except the Dinan plates that work with stock diameter springs.

First thing to try is to remove the front camber pins. that should get you -0.7 more camber. On stock springs, you'll probably get to -1.3 or there abouts. Beyond that is going to be replacing shocks and springs with something height adjustable or using the Dinan plates (which really only raise the car 1/4")

Ahhhhh. I didn't realize that the Dinan camber plates required the removal of the pins. Now that I think about it I guess it makes sense. I've just never taken a look at the suspension assembly before. I was planning on doing the pin removal as well, so I suppose I could be looking at a total of -2 degrees with the pin removal and Dinan plates. Thanks for your help.

[DerekSelmanRacing]

Not sure I'll need them yet, but I suspect I will; first track outing for the new E90 will be June 11.

Anybody make camber plates for a 2011 E90, ZCP, EDC; and do they change ride height?

joel

[chili cheese]

I think the answer to your question is in post #3.

[Mavrick151]

Go with the Dinan plates.

[VSmotorsports]

Ground Control is a good option. We installed a set on a customers car with stock suspension and they worked out great.

[VictorH]

Originally Posted by VSmotorsports

Ground Control is a good option. We installed a set on a customers car with stock suspension and they worked out great.

How much did it raise the front end? I thought that all of the adjustable camber plates were at least 1/2" or more tall and would add that height to the front suspension. Is that true or did you use shorter springs in front?

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by VictorH

How much did it raise the front end? I thought that all of the adjustable camber plates were at least 1/2" or more tall and would add that height to the front suspension. Is that true or did you use shorter springs in front?

fixed camber plates will add stack height as it just shims the stock assembly further in. a camber plate like the Ground-control unit replaces the entire upper assembly and will have a lower stack height then the stock unit. so you're car will be lowered a little.

Ground controls unit is the only true camber plate I know of that works with the stock springs and EDC. The Dinan plate is a waste.

They seem to have two versions. I'm not 100% sure what the difference is a their site has no product description. it might just be a revision of the upper spring perch

[kitw]

Originally Posted by paintpro21

fixed camber plates will add stack height as it just shims the stock assembly further in. a camber plate like the Ground-control unit replaces the entire upper assembly and will have a lower stack height then the stock unit. so you're car will be lowered a little.

Ground controls unit is the only true camber plate I know of that works with the stock springs and EDC. The Dinan plate is a waste.

They seem to have two versions. I'm not 100% sure what the difference is a their site has no product description. it might just be a revision of the upper spring perch

ground control had a version for the E90, I didn't realize they released them for the M3. Interesting. The Dinan plate is functional and definitely not going to make as much noise or harshness as the monoball Ground Controls. And no, the additional rubber/urethane that GC adds to their "street" plates are not an adequate solution.

[Platfawrm]

Originally Posted by kitw

ground control had a version for the E90, I didn't realize they released them for the M3. Interesting. The Dinan plate is functional and definitely not going to make as much noise or harshness as the monoball Ground Controls. And no, the additional rubber/urethane that GC adds to their "street" plates are not an adequate solution.

Ground control street/hybrid plates do add any type of noise/harness to the vehicle. Their camber plates can be configured to work with stock style springs.

Hands down GC has the best camber plates on the market.

[kitw]

Ok, wow, looks like they have done a different plate for the E9x. I'll have to check them out. Looks like it is a stock style plate with a large thrust bearing. I like.

[VictorH]

Originally Posted by kitw

Ok, wow, looks like they have done a different plate for the E9x. I'll have to check them out. Looks like it is a stock style plate with a large thrust bearing. I like.

What happens to the stock "rubber" strut travel limiter with the GC camber plates? Is that eliminated and replaced, if so by what? I thought that it (stock bushing) had some sort of progressive resistance that was unique and helpful given the limited travel of the stock M3 suspension.

[Erhan]

is ground control camber plate fixed or adjustable?

Originally Posted by paintpro21

fixed camber plates will add stack height as it just shims the stock assembly further in. a camber plate like the Ground-control unit replaces the entire upper assembly and will have a lower stack height then the stock unit. so you're car will be lowered a little.

Ground controls unit is the only true camber plate I know of that works with the stock springs and EDC. The Dinan plate is a waste.

They seem to have two versions. I'm not 100% sure what the difference is a their site has no product description. it might just be a revision of the upper spring perch

[mact3333]

Unless you track your car, couldnt imagine a need for camber plates, esp if you pull the pins out, giving close to -2 just from that move.

Also, dont think dealer will notice camber plate install unless they look closely as they arent visible from strut tower brace points inside the engine bay...the plastic cover from EDC covers it up.

Originally Posted by chili cheese

I have to reduce my outside tire wear, improve turn-in and limit understeer. I want to use camber plates only, no springs, coilovers, etc. at this point. I'd prefer adjustable plates, but some of those come in cool colors and are probably a dead giveaway at the dealership during regular maintenance? I don't need to be flagged.

Adjustable plates that I've read about include:
1. Vorshlag
2. Ground Control
3. Does Turner make some that are not listed?
4. Others?

Fixed Plates:
1. Dinan
2. Others?

Also, is there a camber plate only solution out there that doesn't raise the front ride height? If no, how much does each set raise the height and is this just an aesthetic issue?

Thanks!

[aus]

Originally Posted by mact3333

Unless you track your car, couldnt imagine a need for camber plates, esp if you pull the pins out, giving close to -2 just from that move.

Also, dont think dealer will notice camber plate install unless they look closely as they arent visible from strut tower brace points inside the engine bay...the plastic cover from EDC covers it up.

chillicheese's tires:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534485

If he gets some plates and runs -2, he maybe able to use those PS2's on the street for a few thousand miles!!
.

[jeff4598]

Strongly disagree re camber plates on the street- BEST mod I have done MAJOR impact on control and fun to drive at moderate speeds around town-NOT for track only, not at all.

[mact3333]

Hmm...you can get -2 camber by pulling pins without a camber plate...so this implies you will be running -2.5 to -3.5?...good way to wear out inner tread too quickly unless you are driving very aggressively on the street which prob isnt a great idea anyway...also, car is way too twitchy on the street at -3 or more imho.

[aus]

Have you seen anyone get -2 by pulling the pins?
I've seen -1.7, which is pretty good, but not the same as -2.

[signes]

-2 won't happen on stock springs even without the pins. Won't even get close to that.