ZCP burble & startup roar flash/coding

SeanWRT · 08-06-2017, 07:58 AM

Probably it's me that fail to keep pace with times but there is a local shop doing ZCP flash/coding WITHOUT needing to unlock DME. I figured this should fall into coding category.

They said with "flash" the car should have ZCP power, burble and startup roar. One of my friend did just that to his none-ZCP F82. Can't comment on power but burble is really there.

Anyone shed some light on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...&v=CnLFY5Ilx6g

Celestion · 08-06-2017, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Probably it's me that fail to keep pace with times but there is a local shop doing ZCP flash/coding WITHOUT needing to unlock DME. I figured this should fall into coding category.

They said with "flash" the car should have ZCP power, burble and startup roar. One of my friend did just that to his none-ZCP F82. Can't comment on power but burble is really there.

Anyone shed some light on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...&v=CnLFY5Ilx6g

The regions on the DME that code for these features are write protected with an FSC number. We would need more details for this to be believable.

G35POPPEDMYCHERRY · 08-06-2017, 09:40 AM

i call bs....sigh one can dream tho

LOW4LYF · 08-06-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Celestion

The regions on the DME that code for these features are write protected with an FSC number. We would need more details for this to believable.

The ZCP feature is Software protected by a FSC code same as the GTS!
You can flash both without the FSC but you getting errors on the dash without FSC.

Some people in the Forum tried already to flash the Software without FSC.

SeanWRT · 08-07-2017, 01:45 PM

Hi guys,

As someone having already unlocked DME for flash tune, I'd love to believe it's not possible, which is why I started a thread to discuss it.

There are a few more cars around here "coded" with ZCP burble and startup. I tend to believe it's a reality.

Figurka what kind of errors would show on the dash with that?

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Originally Posted by Celestion

The regions on the DME that code for these features are write protected with an FSC number. We would need more details for this to be believable.

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Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

i call bs....sigh one can dream tho

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Originally Posted by Figurka

The ZCP feature is Software protected by a FSC code same as the GTS!
You can flash both without the FSC but you getting errors on the dash without FSC.

Some people in the Forum tried already to flash the Software without FSC.

swifty · 08-08-2017, 06:16 AM

Honestly wish this was possible.

SanchoDivine · 08-08-2017, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by swifty

Honestly wish this was possible.

Same here!

terahertz · 08-08-2017, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

There are a few more cars around here "coded" with ZCP burble and startup.

There are not. Most likely people getting the terms coding and flashing confused.

SeanWRT · 08-08-2017, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by terahertz

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

There are a few more cars around here "coded" with ZCP burble and startup.

There are not. Most likely people getting the terms coding and flashing confused.

The shop didn't let customers know what they really did but DME was definitely not even pulled out. That's why it's most likely a coding job.

There must be reasons it's not popular or talked about much in North America. There is actually a thread about it here if you use search. I'm not sure if they're the same things.

terahertz · 08-08-2017, 02:02 PM

You can flash the ZCP file and get the burbles, but you get no boost without a correct FSC code. There was a thread on that as well.

Mikecom32 · 08-08-2017, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by terahertz

You can flash the ZCP file and get the burbles, but you get no boost without a correct FSC code. There was a thread on that as well.

Have a link to the thread? I have a ZCP, but it might be interesting anyway.

terahertz · 08-08-2017, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikecom32

Have a link to the thread? I have a ZCP, but it might be interesting anyway.

Here's the thread. No boost without FSC, so pretty much useless.
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1261675

SeanWRT · 08-08-2017, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by terahertz

You can flash the ZCP file and get the burbles, but you get no boost without a correct FSC code. There was a thread on that as well.

Does "No boost" mean that S55 performs like a NA with no boost at all, or it has no extra boost over a none-ZCP S55?

Because I don't recall they said their cars are slower after coding.

terahertz · 08-08-2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Does "No boost" mean that S55 performs like a NA with no boost at all, or it has no extra boost over a none-ZCP S55?

Because I don't recall they said their cars are slower after coding.

no boost at all.

SeanWRT · 08-08-2017, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by terahertz

You can flash the ZCP file and get the burbles, but you get no boost without a correct FSC code. There was a thread on that as well.

Thanks. What exactly is FSC code if you don't mind?

terahertz · 08-08-2017, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Thanks. What exactly is FSC code if you don't mind?

It is explained in that thread. Basically it's like an unlock code for a specific feature. That's how BMW prevents people from flashing ZCP onto non-ZCP cars among other things. It is not trivial to generate the code either because it has to do with RSA 1024 bit encryption IIRC, and is not crackable at this point in time.

This has all been gone over before, and I don't want to spread any misinformation so this will be my last reply on this thread.

As far as the coding community knows, there is no way to get burbles and roar on non-zcp cars without removing the ECU.

LOW4LYF · 08-08-2017, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by terahertz

no boost at all.

No extra boost!

terahertz · 08-08-2017, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Figurka

No extra boost!

??

If you read the post I linked earlier:

"5) Drivetrain malfunction: boost is practically gone, throttle command is significantly limited beyond initial acceleration from standstill."

SeanWRT · 08-08-2017, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by terahertz

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Originally Posted by Figurka

No extra boost!

??

If you read the post I linked earlier:

"5) Drivetrain malfunction: boost is practically gone, throttle command is significantly limited beyond initial acceleration from standstill."

No offense.

Do you have anything to share that is insightful or real world experience based, and is not one of the conclusions the OP of that thread came to out of his own little coding adventure? No mention it's also confirm in his thread that the burble was possible.

What I saw IN PERSON is, someone had his car "coded" with burble and startup roar and did not feel a power loss and have not seen a single error code so far. And his DME is intact.

LOW4LYF · 08-08-2017, 08:05 PM

It's software and not coding only.
The extra HP and burble is Software.

SeanWRT · 08-08-2017, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Figurka

It's software and not coding only.
The extra HP and burble is Software.

Extra HP could be BS though.

gatorfast · 08-08-2017, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

No offense.

Do you have anything to share that is insightful or real world experience based, and is not one of the conclusions the OP of that thread came to out of his own little coding adventure? No mention it's also confirm in his thread that the burble was possible.

What I saw IN PERSON is, someone had his car "coded" with burble and startup roar and did not feel a power loss and have not seen a single error code so far. And his DME is intact.

Do YOU have anything else to share besides some vague youtube video? Everyone on here is telling you your claim is impossible yet your only retort is "I saw it and some thread exists somewhere about it".

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