Electric M test car pics & interview with Dirk Häcker, BMW M Head of Development

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by chris719

Cars are already fairly disposable. My Corolla engine might last 300k but the chassis will have rusted to pieces by then in the northeast.

My coworkerÂ’s 2015 Model S has 120k+ and is still in great condition. The pack deterioration may level out somewhat also as they age. IÂ’ve designed several products with LiIon/LiPo chemistry packs, including charging circuitry, and performed accelerated aging testing on packs using cells from nearly every major manufacturer.

Ironic to bring this up on a BMW forum when 99% of BMWs are mechanically totaled before 200k miles. Talk about disposable carsÂ…

What a misleading post you have.

If the 2015 Model S is till in great condition in 7 years (aprox 17.000 per year), then, that Corolla, at 300k, based on the same mileage per year should be around 17 years and that pretty damn good. And yes, it will easily last that much. I had two Toyotas that lasted trouble free and still sold them good after 8-10 years.
I actually believe that based on the quality and poor fit an finish Tesla is well known for, it will not even last that long.
Did I mention that you buy at least three Toyotas with the Tesla money?

Secondly, BMWs are not totaled at 200k. I believe that youa re in the wrong forum. BMW builds some of the strongest chassis IN THE WORLD in terms of stiffness and is the king of the anticorosive body with 12 years warranty.
Secondly, any car, if you don’t take care of it, will not last.
I also own a 11 yo X1 and is like new. Literaly. Mechanicaly, interior and body wise the car is mint and I will never let it go.

When I look at Tesla fit and finish, body lines and materials I can not stop laughing and also wondering how people don’t see what I see…
What a terrible assembly of parts that is!

In the end, comparing BMW with Tesla si like comparing a Rolex with a Seiko.
Tesla will never match the engineering, quality, and german fit and finish. Forget about enineering; there is no engineering in a Tesla and in any electric car actually.
Engineering is an M5 engine, not a 9v battery and an electric motor…

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Tesla ‘quality’

Here's what a rental Tesla Model S interior looks like after 19,000 miles https://www.autoblog.com/2022/09/01/...0-miles-later/

But I’m sure that model S held up to 100k jjjjuuussttt fine.

100k for a full plastic interior created by petroleum, and it’s already falling apart

[Sedan_Clan]

Typical California….



….and if you don't "do it yourself," they'll just shut off your air conditioning through SCE, SDG&E, etc.

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by chris719

It's going to have to be funded and solved. It's not an intractable problem, just one without funding right now in many places. Once the donor class has to endure rolling blackouts they will build infrastructure.

It's going to take more than a decade plus think of the end to end environmental cost of upgrading power infrastructure.

Hardly anyone thinks of cradle to grave life cycle costs end to end. (Environmental impact of mining, car production, infrastructure build/upgrades, end of life disposal, recycling facilities etc.)

The best thing you could do for the environment is to maintain and drive your current ICE car into the ground. That's not trendy or hip though…

[AmuroRay]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/statu...it_7S8mw3gdCNw

This would NEVER happen if we adopted more EVs, right?

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/statu...it_7S8mw3gdCNw

This would NEVER happen if we adopted more EVs, right?

Nice straw man. Who is that even directed at?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Nice straw man. Who is that even directed at?

Straw man for who? Who did I accuse of anything - I made a statement.

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Straw man for who? Who did I accuse of anything - I made a statement.

That wasn't a statement by any definition of the word. I'm sure you're not that dense. It's a straw man aimed at someone you feel is doing something EV related which you don't like. It's OK but at least own up to it.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

That wasn't a statement by any definition of the word. I'm sure you're not that dense. It's a straw man aimed at someone you feel is doing something EV related which you don't like. It's OK but at least own up to it.

I said what I said - do you want me to go further than what I have already laid out or what?