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      08-16-2007, 11:37 AM   #1
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BMW sedan (5-series) performs worst in crash test ?!? WTH?

Here's the story that i got from yahoo thiz morning, I don't believed it's true.......

BMW sedan performs worst in crash test

By DEE-ANN DURBIN, AP Auto Writer
Thu Aug 16, 6:42 AM ET



DETROIT - The 2008 BMW 5 Series was the worst performer in new side-impact crash tests of luxury sedans by the insurance industry.


The Acura RL, Kia Amanti and Volvo S80 all earned the highest safety rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, according to results released Thursday. The Cadillac STS and Mercedes E-Class earned the second-highest rating.

The tests were designed to show what would happen if a truck or sport utility vehicle hit the side of the sedan at 31 mph, the speed of a serious crash. Side-impact crashes are the most common type of fatal crash after a frontal crash, killing around 9,000 people on U.S. roadways in 2005, the institute said.

"Growing sales of SUVs and pickups have exacerbated height mismatches among passenger vehicles, thereby increasing the risks to occupants of many vehicles struck in the side," Insurance Institute President Adrian Lund said in a news release.

All six sedans were equipped with standard side air bags. The air bags in the BMW 5 Series protected the head, but separate air bags designed to protect the chest and abdomen performed poorly, the institute said.

BMW spokesman Thomas Plucinsky said the institute's test indicated the 5 Series has a strong body structure but the dummy was injured when it was hit by the arm rest. Plucinsky said BMW does up to 12 crash tests on all its cars as well as computer simulations of crashes.

"The issue is that depending on the location of seat, the location of dummy, the location of the sled, the results could change," he said. "This was one test on one day on one car."

The Kia Amanti was one of the lowest priced sedans in the group, with a starting price of around $25,500, but it offered greater protection than more expensive entries. The BMW 5 Series starts at $43,500, while the Mercedes E-Class starts at $50,550, according to automotive research site Edmunds.com.

"The Amanti shows that you don't have to buy an expensive car to get good protection in crashes with SUVs and pickups," Lund said.

The Volvo S80 also won the institute's top safety award for overall crash protection, since it got the highest ratings in front, side and rear crash tests and has electronic stability control as standard equipment. Stability control helps prevent rollovers. The 2007 Volvo S80 starts at $47,350, according to Edmunds.

All of the sedans tested were 2007 models except the 5 Series, which was redesigned for 2008, institute spokesman Russ Rader said.
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      08-16-2007, 11:41 AM   #2
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Similar to the '07 X5 completely failing the whiplash protection/headrest crash test. BMW has got to do better for crash safety tests with the IIHS (which is more respected than U.S. Fed. Gov't crash tests); otherwise, BMW will be getting a very bad name in auto crash safety!!!!
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      08-16-2007, 11:43 AM   #3
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The 3 series did good though as far as I can remember.
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      08-16-2007, 11:44 AM   #4
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Sorry, this has nothing to do with the e9x.

You should post this on the 5 series forum. If they have one.

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      08-16-2007, 11:58 AM   #5
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Sorry, this has nothing to do with the e9x.

You should post this on the 5 series forum. If they have one.


thats the same reason i didn't post/mention anything about it when i first read that article... I'm pretty sure i remember hearing something about the
e9x's doing well.
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      08-16-2007, 12:14 PM   #6
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Sorry, this has nothing to do with the e9x.

You should post this on the 5 series forum. If they have one.

It's a repost anyways. I posted this already on the General Car Talk Forum.

But yes, it's disappointing to see these recent results.
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      08-16-2007, 12:18 PM   #7
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Cool Sideimpact rating

Anyone knows how the 3 series compares to others on side impact crash tests?
I just read this article about side impact ratings: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070816/...CJlDnGquKyBhIF

And the 5 series didn't fare better than a KIA.

Anyone?

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      08-16-2007, 12:20 PM   #8
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Here is the link for those interested: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070816/...CJlDnGquKyBhIF

5 or no 5, it still should concern us e90.
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      08-16-2007, 12:27 PM   #9
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I am not a crash test expert but anyone think it's the "Tubular Side Airbags" instead of the "Side Curtains" that's causing the poor results in both the 5 series and E93?

We see that the "Side Curtain" airbags are found in almost all if not all recent vehicles equipped with side airbags. The tubular side airbags are the first generation head protection side airbags offered first by the E39 5 series back in 1998. So I think it's safe to say that side curtains offer better performance than the tubular airbags.

The E90's are now equipped with Side Curtains and it did score well on the IIHS crash tests.

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      08-16-2007, 12:28 PM   #10
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This is the fourth post on the same topic on this board already. Repost.
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      08-16-2007, 12:28 PM   #11
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070816/...h_tests_sedans

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Anyone knows how the 3 series compares to others on side impact crash tests?
I just read this article about side impact ratings: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070816/...CJlDnGquKyBhIF

And the 5 series didn't fare better than a KIA.

Anyone?
www.iihs.org has all tests of cars.

for the 3 series.. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=458

It is a pretty safe car!
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this is bs, esp. for me. i wonder what bmw will say
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      08-16-2007, 12:46 PM   #14
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this is bs, esp. for me. i wonder what bmw will say
Read the article:

BMW spokesman Thomas Plucinsky said the institute's test indicated the 5 Series has a strong body structure but the dummy was injured when it was hit by the arm rest. Plucinsky said BMW does up to 12 crash tests on all its cars as well as computer simulations of crashes.
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      08-16-2007, 12:46 PM   #15
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i saw this video this morning and was like "wow" the most expensive car out of 12 or whatever and it did the worst.....
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      08-16-2007, 12:48 PM   #16
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      08-16-2007, 12:54 PM   #17
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Euro NCAP Test. They did the test way back in 2004 and they already hinted problems with the side impact:

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/bmw_5_..._2004/208.aspx

The test results seems to correlate to the test results done by IIHS. But note that these two institutes have different testing methodology. EuroNCAP does a side impact test and a pole test.
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Just remember that ANYTHING you read Watch or listen to in the media has been tailored to create a response, an emotion or by some other means attract and hold attention, cause drama if possible... There is no more PRESS, no truth out there. Take everything with a grain of salt...

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"The Amanti shows that you don't have to buy an expensive car to get good protection in crashes with SUVs and pickups," Lund said.
This sentence right there tells me that there is most likely a angle, a hook, or some preconceived direction intended for the article. It's not about crash safety, it's about KIA.

Which stands for Killed In Action BTW...
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Just remember that ANYTHING you read Watch or listen to in the media has been tailored to create a response, an emotion or by some other means attract and hold attention, cause drama if possible... There is no more PRESS, no truth out there. Take everything with a grain of salt...



This sentence right there tells me that there is most likely a angle, a hook, or some preconceived direction intended for the article. It's not about crash safety, it's about KIA.

Which stands for Killed In Action BTW...
Yeah, it's ALL a conspiracy. This isn't the first crappy crash test outcome for BMW; they just need to suck it up and fix all these things so that ALL these expensive Bimmers get the HIGHEST crash test safety ratings...period! :mad:
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      08-16-2007, 01:18 PM   #20
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This should be a wake up call for BMW no matter what sort of limitations in these test results may have. First the E93, now the E60.
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      08-16-2007, 01:30 PM   #21
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I know it's all about the "5er", but the tittle of the post saids

"BMW sedan performs worst in crash test!!!"

"BMW SEDAN" you see..........That's what hit me.

It's all about bad mouth & bring down the image of the company since its doing so well. <BMW>
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ok, if you dont want to trust an independent study, who are you willing to chose? Its a fact that kia has been making safer and safer cars to the point that they ourperform the "luxury" makes. If this stings, thats too bad, its reality.

ive seen the E90 do well, but i remember watching a clip on tv that showed the E93 with poor head protection in side impacts.
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