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      07-25-2007, 12:13 PM   #1
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Sedona Red

After seeing the Sedona red in various materials (videos, press releases, *.jpgs) I'm wondering (again) just how orange it is. I hope it's not that vile orange metallic that the Mitsu Eclipse is (or the slightly less obnoxious orange that the new Ford Edge has available). On a Pantone Matching System scale - if Sedona Red is in the 158(x), 159(x), 165-166 range it'll be a no take color for me - if it comes in redder than the 179(x) I'll be a happy camper with Sedona Red. The Montego Blue or Crimson Red are alternatives, and of course German Racing Colors (as assigned by the Gordon Bennett races) are white, so Alpine White and Terra leather?
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      07-25-2007, 12:53 PM   #2
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My gut feeling is that Sedona Red has been rejiggered a coupla times.
Compare eg the early press photos...very likely shot in the winter/007 to the staged mini-press debut this month in Munich.
The fact that there's an inside controlled environment vs a natural setting is pretty much a wash-
there's probably more artificial light cast onto the car in the desert setting than the Munich 1er rave.



Note the shadow the 1-er throws in the Mojave shot!
I wish they wouldn't do that, it only points to the artificiality of the setup when actually in these early shots I think most people are looking for verisimilitude.
& I definitely agree Hugo, the deeper the red the better. btw- are you using a printed Pantone guide or digital?
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      07-25-2007, 09:25 PM   #3
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I used the digital guide on the link I posted - I suspect, given Pantone's proclivity for punishing people that purloin their trademarked goods, that that site will be going out of business soon.
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It looks like it may only be a slight bit of orange in the paint. Im sure under certain light it may look more orange than red, but it wont be near the color of the Mitsu.
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      07-26-2007, 08:00 AM   #5
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I certainly hope so - when Brookside said the magic words, "Candy Apple Red" - I was ready to sign on the dotted line!!

When I was a kid - many, many years ago (or, according to my wife, still ; -) - I built an AMT '34 Ford Vicky Coupe - gloss black chassis, fenders and running boards, Testor's Candy Apple Red body and a matte black roof insert (on the Fords of that era the roof insert would have been fabric). Gads I loved that car!!
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      07-26-2007, 09:09 AM   #6
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Yes! Candy Apple Red. What a beautiful color. I hope Sedona Red comes out close to c-a-r...instead of that awful orange/bronze thing in the early pics.
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      07-27-2007, 05:23 PM   #7
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It sure looks pretty dang orange to me!! I would much rather have the original Crimson Red! That is true red there
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      07-30-2007, 09:14 PM   #8
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Well, I think I may have uncovered something on one of the hi-res photos. The base coat is red with a metallic gold mid-coat (and a clear coat on top undoubtedly). I knew that that's one way metallic paints are laid down (with only the outer surfaces receiving the mid and top coats) but I think this picture clearly shows it. But the base is red - not orange. ; -)
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      07-30-2007, 10:16 PM   #9
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What a sleuth!
I think you've nailed it Hugo. Isn't this the reverse of what's usually done...ie, metallic base coat with translucent color over it then clear coat?
I wonder why they've done it this way?
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I think this is the way most manufacturers do it now - take a look under the hood of a metallic Ford sometime (the silver ones are the ugliest gray under the hood). Heck if I know why they do it that way - may have to do some digging - one of the guys that comes to breakfast on Saturdays will probably know why - he sells spray booths to repair shops (as well as serves as the local consulate for the Lotus Owners Group ; -).

Now in the old model making days it was the reverse, as you say - metallic base, translucent topcoat.
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      07-31-2007, 07:22 AM   #11
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Gold on Red vs. Red on Gold

OK, then it's a big difference. It means that the optics primarily are priviledging the metallic effect rather than the translucent color coat.
This isn't a mistake, but it is a different way of affecting color.

I would think that the old method results in a deeper richer look.
It's as if the people who make color selections think the N/A market can't get enuff of bright/shiny...when I think it's played out in this formulation.

Bangle's designs definitely look great with a paint that hilites the dynamic surfaces.
The trouble with putting a metallic paint on it in the process that Sedona Red is applied is that surface becomes dematerialized-
fractally split into thousands of tiny reflectors- it looses it's planar unity- something they should consider.
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I think Sedona resembles Sienna Red , but with Sienna being a shade or two darker.
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I wonder if the issue is the cost of materials - more to spray a metallic base than a color base? Then the 'redness' of the resulting finish is dependent on how stingy they are with the mid-coat. But as you allude to Brookside, it will soften the sharp edges on the surfaces.
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I think Sedona resembles Sienna Red , but with Sienna being a shade or two darker.
Siena Red on a Z3. "Siena Red is named after Siena in Italy. The local ferruginous ochreous earth is used in oil paint pigments--
browny-yellow when 'raw', and warm reddish-brown when 'burnt'."
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      08-11-2007, 02:41 PM   #15
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God help me, I am falling in love with this color. It is gorgeous.
There are so few "reds" out there that are distinguished - Sedona Red hits the bullseye.

I think more of us on 1addicts would like it and appreciate it for how special it will be had we not been fed a steady diet of this color from Mohave to Hans Stuck at the Ring to Official Pics.
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I look at car color a bit differently than a lot of folks do. Since I've spent a fair amount of time on two lane highways, a primary concern I have is visibility (especially at dawn and dusk). I will not own another 'silver' colored car for that reason - it's hard to distinguish it from the road at a distance. So that means bright colors - failrly light blues, yellows, white and red.
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I look at car color a bit differently than a lot of folks do. Since I've spent a fair amount of time on two lane highways, a primary concern I have is visibility (especially at dawn and dusk). I will not own another 'silver' colored car for that reason - it's hard to distinguish it from the road at a distance. So that means bright colors - failrly light blues, yellows, white and red.
Yes Hugo, I see that you've overlooked "Hottie Factor" in your analysis. ie, elapsed time from sidewalk to frontseat.
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It'd take a lot more car than the 1er to get a 'hottie' in the front seat with me. ; -)
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      08-11-2007, 03:37 PM   #19
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It'd take a lot more car than the 1er to get a 'hottie' in the front seat with me. ; -)
Try this on the Plaza....cute dogs.

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I look at car color a bit differently than a lot of folks do. Since I've spent a fair amount of time on two lane highways, a primary concern I have is visibility (especially at dawn and dusk). I will not own another 'silver' colored car for that reason - it's hard to distinguish it from the road at a distance. So that means bright colors - failrly light blues, yellows, white and red.
Wouldn't headlights be better than any bright color to make your car stand out? I know in some states headlights are required to be on during dawn and dusk.
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You are correct - and sometimes I've run headlights during the day on two-lanes (on cars w/o DRLs). Even with that I'd rather have a 'readily visible' color than a silver or one of the gray metallics.
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i think TIAG is a beautiful color whether it stands out or not. its almost ALWAYS looks like you just cleaned it. nice and shiny.
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