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      03-16-2017, 09:38 PM   #1
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M2 2017 or wait for COmpetition

I have an M2 coming in 8 weeks or I can pass it up and be the 1st to "maybe" get the dealers only Competition M2.

What would you do?
What do you think the mark up will be on the Competition if the dealers been asking $5k+ for the M2?

Should I wait?
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      03-17-2017, 02:27 AM   #2
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They'll probably mark it up even more, although if you're seriously looking for a straight M2 you should be able to find one at MSRP.

If money's not a huge issue, wait for the CS/CLS/whatever they call it. If you can't afford a potentially $75k car, look for other dealers that are playing ball on the price.
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      03-17-2017, 03:37 AM   #3
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Always wait for next model. It will always be better until it is released.
It will also be cheaper for you.
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The M2 Competition will be a MY19 and extremely limited in production so there's a very low chance you'll even get one compared to the already-hard-to-get M2.

The M2 Comp (at least here in Canada) is expected to be priced the same as a well-option non-comp M4 FWIW - that's about $100,000 CDN.
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      03-17-2017, 01:09 PM   #6
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The M2 Competition will be a MY19 and extremely limited in production so there's a very low chance you'll even get one compared to the already-hard-to-get M2.

The M2 Comp (at least here in Canada) is expected to be priced the same as a well-option non-comp M4 FWIW - that's about $100,000 CDN.
If money is no issue for you, get an M2 now and trade it in for the Competition when it comes (if you can get one).

If money is an issue, make sure you can afford the likely price of the car you are waiting for. There are a lot of wishful thinkers on here hoping for the Competition at $13K bump from the regular M2. I think that is unrealistic. My guess is $75-$80K in the US... and gmzanatta's intel seems to agree with that (~55% above the regular M2). Keep in mind there are two model year price bumps as well as the Competition bump to be accounted for.
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I have an M2 coming in 8 weeks or I can pass it up and be the 1st to "maybe" get the dealers only Competition M2.

What would you do?
What do you think the mark up will be on the Competition if the dealers been asking $5k+ for the M2?

Should I wait?
I would be surprised if you could be "first" on someone's list at this point. Any dealer that is likely to get cars certainly has a list already.
I consider trading a base m2 in for the cs, but a private sale will probably be better as I expect dealers will try to take cars in trade for $45k.
Oh, if your dealer is marking up the m2, your cs order is a joke anyway, because the dealer will try to rape you when and if they actually get a car.
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The M2 Competition will be a MY19 and extremely limited in production so there's a very low chance you'll even get one compared to the already-hard-to-get M2.

The M2 Comp (at least here in Canada) is expected to be priced the same as a well-option non-comp M4 FWIW - that's about $100,000 CDN.
CS/GTS is going to be MY2019
Germans on 2ertalk.de are rumoring that MY18 brings Competition Package. One claims even that his dealer told him that.
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      03-17-2017, 07:28 PM   #9
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Any idea when we'll get specs for the 2018 build year?
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      03-18-2017, 09:45 AM   #10
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Any idea when we'll get specs for the 2018 build year?
Middle of April - beginning of May
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      03-18-2017, 10:02 AM   #11
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CS/GTS is going to be MY2019
Germans on 2ertalk.de are rumoring that MY18 brings Competition Package. One claims even that his dealer told him that.
Where is anyone getting the idea of an M2 CS? BMW trademarked it, but haven't seen any evidence of production plans. Even our local source says he doesn't know and it may actually be called the Competition instead. It does look like the Competition model will come first and it could very will be produced this year.
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CS/GTS is going to be MY2019
Yes, just wait for it.
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      03-18-2017, 12:42 PM   #13
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Any idea when we'll get specs for the 2018 build year?
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Middle of April - beginning of May
My guesstimate:
  • May 2017: official announcement about the MY2018 M2 specs;
  • July 2017: start of M2 LCI production (MY2018) (mild facelift - no substantial changes: head lights and tail lights upgrade, etc.);
  • Äutumn 2017: official announcement about the M2 with an S55 engine (M2 variant - no 'limited edition');
  • Spring 2018: first M2 variant deliveries in Europe (MY2018);
  • Later in 2018: first M2 variant deliveries in the US (MY2019);
  • 2020: end of production first generation M2 and M2 variant.
But don't take that as gospel. It's just my guesstimate based on what's floating around on the interwebs.
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My guesstimate:
  • May 2017: official announcement about the MY2018 M2 specs;
  • July 2017: start of M2 LCI production (MY2018) (mild facelift - no substantial changes: head lights and tail lights upgrade, etc.);
  • Äutumn 2017: official announcement about the M2 with an S55 engine (M2 variant - no 'limited edition');
  • Spring 2018: first M2 variant deliveries in Europe (MY2018);
  • Later in 2018: first M2 variant deliveries in the US (MY2019);
  • 2020: end of production first generation M2 and M2 variant.
But don't take that as gospel. It's just my guesstimate based on what's floating around on the interwebs.
Agreed.
As for the LCI I'm pretty sure it's gonna be: headlights, taillights, new idrive and digital speedometer (as a paid option), so same things as in M4.
Also hope for something like ZCP in M4 but without power/technical adjustments but optical like exterior bits (wheels/brakes) + interior (seats/alcantara/buckets)
I know it's far-fetched in general and not as important for M2 but still I'd happily pay more to have some nicer interior with alcantara bucket seats inside
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      03-19-2017, 06:38 AM   #15
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Also hope for something like ZCP in M4 but without power/technical adjustments but optical like exterior bits (wheels/brakes) + interior (seats/alcantara/buckets)
I know it's far-fetched in general and not as important for M2 but still I'd happily pay more to have some nicer interior with alcantara bucket seats inside
Would be nice if BMW offers this for the M2 variant, with possibility for base M2 owners to buy some of those goodies (trickle down effect - Porsche made this a profitable art form). If for example foldable recaros would be made optional (remember the 1M Performance Seats), I would equally consider to pay extra to get those for my base M2.
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Agreed.
As for the LCI I'm pretty sure it's gonna be: headlights, taillights, new idrive and digital speedometer (as a paid option), so same things as in M4.
The M2 inherits LCI changes from the 2-series, not the 4-series. I'm wondering why you'd think they'd do otherwise.
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The M2 inherits LCI changes from the 2-series, not the 4-series. I'm wondering why you'd think they'd do otherwise.
Well I'm a marketing manager myself and looking at the competition some changes from the M4 should come this year if BMW wants to stay ahead with the M2 or 2 series in general. Market research shows that younger audience (to which M2/2 series is targeted) craves for personalisation, new tech integration and best in class solution for their needs. They are not loyalists like most on this forum and will take what's best/most modern on the market for their needs regardless of brand. It may sound as blasphemy to some but that's how it is nowadays and things like gesture control, digital instrument cluster, adaptive cruise control, CarPlay, integration with mobile apps are important differentiating factors to them.
VAGs approach and strategy is clearly answering their needs with their FL changes (virtual cockpit), VW with gesture control and I'm counting on BMW to also adapt and follow the trend also in lower tier of their lineup.

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I agree BMW should match price point features with other auto makers to maintain competitive edge. But that will likely not mean feature parity between 2-series with 4-series. Even if technically possible, BMW traditionally hasn't even offered the option of feature upgrades to match higher tiered car specs, esp w/ electronics: e.g. driving assist features, stereo, adaptive suspension. If they thought it'd make them more money to provide optional feature parity, they would have done it already right? Maybe the digital dash is considered a 2-series feature now, but I wouldn't assume that an M2 gets it because the M4 got it.
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Maybe the digital dash is considered a 2-series feature now, but I wouldn't assume that an M2 gets it because the M4 got it.
Last January an M2 variant (M2 Whatever) was spotted at BMW M HQ in Garching, apparently featuring a digital speedometer inside a camouflaged dashboard (see here).

Time will tell whether only the M2 variant will get it, or also the base LCI M2 (stock or optional).

The technology exists and rolled out. 4er LCI instrument panel:







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Last January an M2 variant (M2 Whatever) was spotted at BMW M HQ in Garching, apparently featuring a digital speedometer inside a camouflaged dashboard (see here).
erarich said the entire dashboard was covered. I wonder if that also includes the iDrive, climate controls, vents, etc? BMW is due for a interior styling refresh (aside from digital guages). Do we know enough yet that such a major styling change would be forthcoming in the 2-series LCI?
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I have an M2 coming in 8 weeks or I can pass it up and be the 1st to "maybe" get the dealers only Competition M2.

What would you do?
What do you think the mark up will be on the Competition if the dealers been asking $5k+ for the M2?

Should I wait?
Get the M2 and then if you can get an M2 CS, trade in your M2. Dealers are paying top dollar for used M2s, so this way, you can't lose.
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That is what I am doing - as part of the deal - I got the current M2 at MSRP and am #1 on their list for the M2 Competition when it comes out. That one will be at market (I hope it is only a $5 above MSRP).

Either way - what a great time to be buying a new car - so much great performance from the M2, the Ford RS, even the Mustang 350GT and a used CaymanS. We are all lucky.
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