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      01-26-2017, 12:03 PM   #1
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BMW M2 vs Cayman S Track Test by Pistonheads

Pistonheads takes the Porsche 718 Cayman S and BMW M2 to Blyton Park for a track shootout comparison.

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In a circuit like that, 718 can even destroy 911.
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Yeah, not sure many would question the outcome of a "track battle." I'd take the Cayman, too. But I'm glad that yet another reviewer seems to have arrived at the conclusion that the M2 is the ultimate daily. Four seats, trunk, tossable, not too brutal, and most importantly, FUN.
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Never compared with the straight Cayman (non-S) which price-wise is still more expensive than an M2.
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Same results as every other M2 vs 4 cyl Porsche test.

But

a) Who spends £67k on a Cayman?
b) Apples with oranges to quote another post (roll on Z5)
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Never compared with the straight Cayman (non-S) which price-wise is still more expensive than an M2.
because the M2 punches above (or in this case, below given the 400 lb. penalty) its weight class
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I can't wrap my head around spending that much money for an engine that sounds like a Subaru tbh.... The NA engines will be missed.
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I can't wrap my head around spending that much money for an engine that sounds like a Subaru tbh.... The NA engines will be missed.
Missed? coveted?
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Same results as every other M2 vs 4 cyl Porsche test.

But

a) Who spends £67k on a Cayman?
b) Apples with oranges to quote another post (roll on Z5)
The Z5 will be less of a track performer than the M2 . Will weigh the same or likely more than the m2 with less less power and a less sport oriented suspension lol .
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I can't wrap my head around spending that much money for an engine that sounds like a Subaru tbh.... The NA engines will be missed.
Agreed.

I couldn't fathom laying that kind of money for a 4cyl. But glad some people do, keeps the segment alive in the face of emmisions requirements.
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i would rather buy the previous generation Cayman GTS over this hideous 718 any day of the week, the dream is the GT4 but being realistic the only other car id choose over the M2 right now is the Cayman GTS
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I would be much more interested in seeing the M2 vs the base 718, but I am guessing that Porsche will not provide the base car to the press for that comparison.
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I can't wrap my head around spending that much money for an engine that sounds like a Subaru tbh.... The NA engines will be missed.
Agreed.

I couldn't fathom laying that kind of money for a 4cyl. But glad some people do, keeps the segment alive in the face of emmisions requirements.
I owned a 2014 Cayman S and recently Test drove the new 718 Cayman S and that car drives really nicely. The engine is very nice. Anything built by Porsche these days is not going to be bad. Yes, it will not sound as sweet as the NA engine in the GT4 but it is not too shabby either when you compare it to how the engine in the M4/3 sound these days. The low end torque and acceleration numbers are very good on that Cayman S. For the city and highway I would pick the M2 just for leg Comfort and being able to put the seat back because I can not sit upright for hours in a car and unless one is 5' tall the seating position in the Cayman is not fun for long periods of time or long drives where as the M2 is perfectly fine for any length of drive. Cayman rules on the track and M2 on the streets
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i would rather buy the previous generation Cayman GTS over this hideous 718 any day of the week, the dream is the GT4 but being realistic the only other car id choose over the M2 right now is the Cayman GTS
Wow...hideous... very descriptive.. is that because of the motor. Did the motor make the car ugly?

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Agreed.

I couldn't fathom laying that kind of money for a 4cyl. But glad some people do, keeps the segment alive in the face of emmisions requirements.
I find the " I wouldn't pay that for a 4 cyl " comment quite humorous.

It's like saying.. I wouldn't date supermodel X because her breast bust size isn't over 36... "


While.. the bigger the better.. the tighter the sweater is a fun saying.. it's not really words to live by.

In the same token... I would think that a vehicle is also more than just any individual part... it is indeed the sum of all it's parts that make it a quality vehicle.

The Porsche 914 or VW-Porsche 914 was a mid-engined, targa-topped two-seat roadster designed, manufactured and marketed collaboratively by Volkswagen and Porsche from 1969 to 1976.. I don't really see the Boxster/Cayman of today as being any different. Was a 6 cyl more desirable back then (and now).. Sure.... but deal breaker... no.

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Same results as every other M2 vs 4 cyl Porsche test.

But

a) Who spends £67k on a Cayman?
b) Apples with oranges to quote another post (roll on Z5)

ugh,.. So tired of the 2 seater vs 2+2 comparisons based on price alone.
The BMW Z4 (now dead) or the Z5 is the direct competitor for any Cayman... not the M2

Let's compare a 50K SUV with a 50K convertible.. and the conclusion turns out be . well.. the SUV is a better daily.. and the convertible is better for sunny days.. Yay thanks for doing a review to tell me what I already knew.
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I find the " I wouldn't pay that for a 4 cyl " comment quite humorous.

It's like saying.. I wouldn't date supermodel X because her breast bust size isn't over 36... "

While.. the bigger the better.. the tighter the sweater is a fun saying.. it's not really words to live by.
I tend to agree. HP/TQ output is what's important. That being said, the flat 4 Porsche uses is eerily similar to a WRX boxer engine, nice for a $30k car, not so much for a pure bred track monster.

Everything about the 718S looks to be about near perfect for a driver's car with that one exception. Unfortunately, its a big one.
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Same results as every other M2 vs 4 cyl Porsche test.

But

a) Who spends £67k on a Cayman?
b) Apples with oranges to quote another post (roll on Z5)
The Z5 will be less of a track performer than the M2 . Will weigh the same or likely more than the m2 with less less power and a less sport oriented suspension lol .
Agreed - BMW would have to make a Z5M version of the Z5 to have a chance with competing against the 718 (would be cool if BMW did that - but who knows if there is a market sufficient to justify the development cost of a Z5M...)
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i would rather buy the previous generation Cayman GTS over this hideous 718 any day of the week, the dream is the GT4 but being realistic the only other car id choose over the M2 right now is the Cayman GTS
Wow...hideous... very descriptive.. is that because of the motor. Did the motor make the car ugly?

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Agreed.

I couldn't fathom laying that kind of money for a 4cyl. But glad some people do, keeps the segment alive in the face of emmisions requirements.
I find the " I wouldn't pay that for a 4 cyl " comment quite humorous.

It's like saying.. I wouldn't date supermodel X because her breast bust size isn't over 38... "


While.. the bigger the better.. the tighter the sweater is a fun saying.. it's not really words to live by.

In the same token... I would think that a vehicle is also more than just any individual part... it is indeed the sum of all it's parts that make it a quality vehicle.

The Porsche 914 or VW-Porsche 914 was a mid-engined, targa-topped two-seat roadster designed, manufactured and marketed collaboratively by Volkswagen and Porsche from 1969 to 1976..

I don't really see the Cayman of today as being any different. Was a 6 cyl more desirable back then (and now).. Sure.... but deal breaker... no.
It's easy to intellectualize cars like that. But I've long since abandoned that. Intellectualization of cars leads people down the path to the dark side (911 drivers ugh).

With that out there, what you are saying makes sense. For example I loved every second I drove the 4c. Still think about it when I'm alone at night. I would love to own 7 of them, one for each day of the week.

Would I pay 80k for one? Not a chance. It doesn't "feel" like a 80k car, and to me no 4 cylinder car could ever.

There's a reason why a v12 ferrari is far more expensive then v8 ones, and it has nothing to do with horsepower. But they are of course the pure "anti Intellectualization of cars" brand.

Like I said, if you or anyone else is ok with a 4cyl at that price point, I'm all for it. Keeps the segment alive.

I buy cars for how fun they are and how they "feel". Don't give a rats ass about what they can do on paper or how many competitor cars they can roast. Depending on how they "feel" and how fun they are they get assigned a price point. Some people do the same calculation based on percoeved brand prestige. Some people do it on 0-60 times. Some people do it based on what's newest. Some people do it based on the cars exterior design. Etc.
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It's easy to intellectualize cars like that. But I've long since abandoned that. Intellectualization of cars leads people down the path to the dark side (911 drivers ugh).

With that out there, what you are saying makes sense. For example I loved every second I drove the 4c. Still think about it when I'm alone at night. I would love to own 7 of them, one for each day of the week.

Would I pay 80k for one? Not a chance. It doesn't "feel" like a 80k car, and to me no 4 cylinder car could ever.

There's a reason why a v12 ferrari is far more expensive then v8 ones, and it has nothing to do with horsepower. But they are of course the pure "anti Intellectualization of cars" brand.

Like I said, if you or anyone else is ok with a 4cyl at that price point, I'm all for it. Keeps the segment alive.

I buy cars for how fun they are and how they "feel". Don't give a rats ass about what they can do on paper or how many competitor cars they can roast. Depending on how they "feel" and how fun they are they get assigned a price point. Some people do the same calculation based on percoeved brand prestige. Some people do it on 0-60 times. Some people do it based on what's newest. Some people do it based on the cars exterior design. Etc.
Not sure I understand your logic. Are paying for engine cylinders or for the experience driving the car? Those are sports car with a sole purpose of making the driver feel "good". By your math, 2008 m3 should cost more than 2017 one
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