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      06-09-2016, 05:24 AM   #1
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Road and Track compares the 2 series line-up and 1M and chooses....

The 228i. Heh.

They rank them, from best to worst:
1. 228i
2. M2
3. 1M
4. M235i

An interesting read. They struggled to choose between the top 2, but the bottom 2 were easy (for them). Interesting article, likely to spark some debate (and hate mail), but I found it worth the read.
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SCANS: M2 VS M235i, 228i, 1M and E30 M3 (Road & Track July 16) http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1268894
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SCANS: M2 VS M235i, 228i, 1M and E30 M3 (Road & Track July 16) http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1268894
Thanks. Was looking to find it online.

Oops - didn't know was already posted - my bad.
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The 228i. Heh.

They rank them, from best to worst:
1. 228i
2. M2
3. 1M
4. M235i

An interesting read. They struggled to choose between the top 2, but the bottom 2 were easy (for them). Interesting article, likely to spark some debate (and hate mail), but I found it worth the read.
It is road and track after all... .

Haven't read the article and since I've seen the result and I can probably guess how they came to their conclusion.

I get what they are saying when it comes making a value purchase. A 228 ( or 230) with a limited slip diff is a helluva car and a great daily driver. Actually it's the best " daily driver " in the 2 series lineup probably because it's still light and nimble.... And if you did a track day you would have a ton of " mod money " left over .. But at the end of the day there are two cars on that list selling over MSRP still and those are clearly the ones to own.

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It is road and track after all... .

Haven't read the article and since I've seen the result and I can probably guess how they came to there conclusion.

I get what they are saying when it comes making a value purchase. A 228 ( or 230) with a limited slip diff is a helluva car and a great daily driver. Actually it's the best " daily driver " in the 2 series lineup probably because it's still light and nimble.... And if you did a track day you would have a ton of " mod money " left over .. But at the end of the day..
Well, the return of "mod money" spent must be very low so to buy a 228 and then mod it until it's as expensive as an M2 is actually much much worse financially than to buy the M2 instead.

Frankly, if done properly I think you could own an M2 for a year or so at a lower cost than a 228 thanks to it being more in demand.
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The 228i. Heh.

They rank them, from best to worst:
1. 228i
2. M2
3. 1M
4. M235i

An interesting read. They struggled to choose between the top 2, but the bottom 2 were easy (for them). Interesting article, likely to spark some debate (and hate mail), but I found it worth the read.
It is road and track after all... .

Haven't read the article and since I've seen the result and I can probably guess how they came to there conclusion.

I get what they are saying when it comes making a value purchase. A 228 ( or 230) with a limited slip diff is a helluva car and a great daily driver. Actually it's the best " daily driver " in the 2 series lineup probably because it's still light and nimble.... And if you did a track day you would have a ton of " mod money " left over .. But at the end of the day there are two cars on that list selling over MSRP still and those are clearly the ones to own.
Yeah. Their real argument was that it was the most balanced - the others basically had more power than could be used, except on a less technical track - 228i was more sport than muscle. A little weak, but they basically liked that you were always driving it at the edge of its capabilities. Meh.
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228i: First it needs an LSD. Because real wheel drive starts with a proper mech(wether it be electronical or not) limited slip differential.

Then come the brakes.
The shocks.
Last but not least the SOUND. The x.28i in stock form sounds like nothing, my lawnmower sounds better and I don't even have one.
So an exhaust system.

And , because an F1 car of 600kgs also has sufficient power and not like 200BHP(no fun at all) , we need an enginetune.

Etc etc etc


Ah, I hear a 228i passing by, oh no it's the coffeemaker behind me.

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Ah, I hear a 228i passing by, oh no it's the coffeemaker behind me.

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You should listen to my N20 with MPE and a tune. It sounds like world war III on overrun. Fact is a 228i with just LSD is an incredibly good driver's car. The inherent balance is the best of just about any front engine BMW in production. I wish BMW would stop trying to preserve the delicate feelings of 6 cyl buyers and just make a proper 228/230is and 330is, LSD, suspension, powerkit, exhaust, bit of M-trim. Those cars would be instant classics.

Found a vid I made of cold start and idle. Filmed with a Blackberry, which is basically a potato with a mic.


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Well, the return of "mod money" spent must be very low so to buy a 228 and then mod it until it's as expensive as an M2 is actually much much worse financially than to buy the M2 instead.

Frankly, if done properly I think you could own an M2 for a year or so at a lower cost than a 228 thanks to it being more in demand.
I prefer owning a 1M at ZERO cost for five years.. I could sell it today for over MSRP... and I absolutely concur that the cost of ownership after a few years will be far lower in the M2... As I indicated earlier.. there are two clear best purchases among the lot.. Well.. that and an E30 M3 ..
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The 228i. Heh.

They rank them, from best to worst:
1. 228i
2. M2
3. 1M
4. M235i

An interesting read. They struggled to choose between the top 2, but the bottom 2 were easy (for them). Interesting article, likely to spark some debate (and hate mail), but I found it worth the read.
I've owned the top two, driven the 4th, and ridden in the 3rd at an autocross and on a track.

I'd agree with putting the M235 at the bottom, especially when price is factored in. It's the least balanced of the bunch. The suspension and brakes seem overmatched by the power.

My 228i had the track package, and it really reminded me of an E36 M3, except for the steering feel. Getting 37 MP(US)G highway didn't bother me either. I'd still rank it below the 1M and M2, 'cause while I understand the point about them both being ridiculous overkill, sometimes that's what you want out of life.

For me, the M2 is on top, 'cause 1 - it's not trying to kill you and 2 - I'm prejudiced on account of owning one.
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I take it you didn't read the other threads on this already.
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The 228i. Heh.

They rank them, from best to worst:
1. 228i
2. M2
3. 1M
4. M235i

An interesting read. They struggled to choose between the top 2, but the bottom 2 were easy (for them). Interesting article, likely to spark some debate (and hate mail), but I found it worth the read.
I've owned the top two, driven the 4th, and ridden in the 3rd at an autocross and on a track.

I'd agree with putting the M235 at the bottom, especially when price is factored in. It's the least balanced of the bunch. The suspension and brakes seem overmatched by the power.

My 228i had the track package, and it really reminded me of an E36 M3, except for the steering feel. Getting 37 MP(US)G highway didn't bother me either. I'd still rank it below the 1M and M2, 'cause while I understand the point about them both being ridiculous overkill, sometimes that's what you want out of life.

For me, the M2 is on top, 'cause 1 - it's not trying to kill you and 2 - I'm prejudiced on account of owning one.
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I'd still rank it below the 1M and M2, 'cause while I understand the point about them both being ridiculous overkill, sometimes that's what you want out of life.


I didn't find the 1M overkill in terms of power, mine was stock with N55 midpipe. Just a quick car. M2 ditto. But a car never can be 'fast enough' in my book lol.

Overkill would be McLaren 650/675/688 stuff or 488/F12(TdF) imho.

And I want overkill!

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1M was spot on, on every detail IMHO, raw, fast, agile, alive

Yes the M2 is faster, but it doesn`t feel that way, silent, almost too smooth, less steering feel, less feel in anything else, it`s more Clinton style I would say, a Slick Willy
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That's good. More people will buy the 2-series and then make the M2's worth more money.
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I just spent 3 days in a 228 loaner car while the M2 was at the dealer. It's a fun little car, but it just feels half way there. I guess it's about half the price, so that's fitting. On stock tires it didn't take much to get the back end out.
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I just spent 3 days in a 228 loaner car while the M2 was at the dealer. It's a fun little car, but it just feels half way there. I guess it's about half the price, so that's fitting. On stock tires it didn't take much to get the back end out.
That's because that's the way the chassis is. Doesn't matter if it's 228 to M2 they are going to handle in a very similar way. The 2 series chassis rotates easily and it is also easily controlled while doing so.
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I read the title and was expecting to discover they chose a Honda Civic Type R, no dice.
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I just spent 3 days in a 228 loaner car while the M2 was at the dealer. It's a fun little car, but it just feels half way there. I guess it's about half the price, so that's fitting. On stock tires it didn't take much to get the back end out.
I took a 228 the other day for a few hours. Compared to my 235 honestly it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Kind of fun to have to "work for it" as opposed to having as much torque as I currently do. Honestly for $40k it's a lot of car.
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