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      04-28-2016, 04:46 PM   #1
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M2 vs 997 Carrera S

I know there are a ton of Porsche guys on this forum. What are the pro's and cons of the 997? also which one would you buy m2 or 997?
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      04-28-2016, 04:59 PM   #2
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Hard to say until someone has driven both... you will mainly get speculation

I bet the M2 is competitive (maybe faster) with the 997 in terms of actual performance (lap times) and it has a warranty. It will also have FAR more usable torque for DD which is fun. However, there is something really cool about the Porsche. The biggest downside of the 997, IMO, is the really dated interior but that likely doesn't matter to everyone. I only really liked 911 interiors when the 991 came out.
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      04-28-2016, 05:24 PM   #3
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Hard to say until someone has driven both... you will mainly get speculation

I bet the M2 is competitive (maybe faster) with the 997 in terms of actual performance (lap times) and it has a warranty. It will also have FAR more usable torque for DD which is fun. However, there is something really cool about the Porsche. The biggest downside of the 997, IMO, is the really dated interior but that likely doesn't matter to everyone. I only really liked 911 interiors when the 991 came out.
I drove one yesterday. im surprised the Porsche guys haven't jumped on this. I guess since its not a cayman. I really liked it. the dash does look like shit but its a car for driving not tech. I would at some point like to add it to my roster in addition to my m2. Any additional info about the 997 would be greatly appreciated. Not sure im at the level where I want to get my renslist on.
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      04-28-2016, 06:07 PM   #4
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Haven't driven a M2 but have driven a 997.1 c2s and own a 997 gt3 they are both pretty darn fast and lighter than M2. Turn in is fantastic on the 997, the interiors are way old fashioned and less tech features. I'd rather own a 997.2 c2s than a M2 but not a .1 without the di motor and updates.
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      04-28-2016, 09:34 PM   #5
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M2 is an entry M car according to M

911CS is positioned as a high level sports car in the Porsche range just after the GT 911s

Porsche makes sports car, BMW makes sports coupe and saloon

The sound and response of that 3.8 alone makes it a winner, not to mentioned the unique RR layout
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Haven't driven a M2 but have driven a 997.1 c2s and own a 997 gt3 they are both pretty darn fast and lighter than M2. Turn in is fantastic on the 997, the interiors are way old fashioned and less tech features. I'd rather own a 997.2 c2s than a M2 but not a .1 without the di motor and updates.
I was reading that some of the later .1s didn't have the issue with I think it was ims. I have been trying to read up. I honestly would love to get as much info because its the next car I'd like to add to the roster.
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      04-29-2016, 12:21 AM   #7
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I have driven a 997S thoroughly because I wanted one. Build quality 'feel' is uncomparable, engine is nice, more than enough torque down low, compared to the E90 M3 6MT I eventually chose(2 kids) , but/and the steering feel is typically 911: Speedboatlike, light upfront because there's nothing there. That's also my point of me not having a normal 911rwd . That feel /behaviour. I;ve driven a few awd 911s and they are more 'balanced' there is weight upfront offcourse. But I don't want awd unless it's a 991 Turbo S or something equal.

My verdict: Great sportscar in many ways, icon, but just not for me. And M2 will be the faster more practical car(also on track this is 'just' a 997S, still fast enough no worries) and I like the M2 looks better(base 997 looks bland imho, but hey 997GT3/991GT3/RS are out of my $$$ league )

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      04-29-2016, 02:44 AM   #8
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The best thing about the 997 is the communicative steering imo.Having had the /1 and having had my fingers burnt badly due to bore scoring I wouldn't touch another,that's not to say it happens to everybody,just that I've been unlucky on both occasions with Porsche.I'm sure there are many happy owners out there though.

Like Robin has mentioned a light front end takes a little bit of acquaintance.
I didn't think the low down torque was that amazing and you do have to make full use of the revs to enjoy it.Personally I think Porsches' are an acquired taste,you either get on with them or you don't.

What doesn't help is the antique tech,reliability,servicing and general expense that contributes to it's downside,I'm far happier with the idea of having an up to date,more practical performance coupe like the M2 with a new warranty these days that constitutes some sort of sensible pricing structure.

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Like Robin has mentioned a light front end takes a little bit of acquaintance.
I didn't think the low down torque was that amazing and you do have to make full use of the revs to enjoy it.Personally I think Porsches' are an acquired taste,you either get on with them or you don't.
Exactly.
In bold:Low down torque compared to the long geared fat pig called E90 M3 6MT
And we're talking about an NA engine which needs to be revved offcourse.

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      04-29-2016, 11:26 AM   #10
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Exactly.
In bold:Low down torque compared to the long geared fat pig called E90 M3 6MT
And we're talking about an NA engine which needs to be revved offcourse.

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I went from an e92 m3 zcp to my current m2 and also have an e46 330ci as my daily. I heard the ims issues are fixed on the 997.2. Also I was watching some videos last night cant you do preventative replace the bearing.
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      04-29-2016, 11:27 AM   #11
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The best thing about the 997 is the communicative steering imo.Having had the /1 and having had my fingers burnt badly due to bore scoring I wouldn't touch another,that's not to say it happens to everybody,just that I've been unlucky on both occasions with Porsche.I'm sure there are many happy owners out there though.

Like Robin has mentioned a light front end takes a little bit of acquaintance.
I didn't think the low down torque was that amazing and you do have to make full use of the revs to enjoy it.Personally I think Porsches' are an acquired taste,you either get on with them or you don't.

What doesn't help is the antique tech,reliability,servicing and general expense that contributes to it's downside,I'm far happier with the idea of having an up to date,more practical performance coupe like the M2 with a new warranty these days that constitutes some sort of sensible pricing structure.

I went from an e92 m3 zcp to my current m2 and also have an e46 330ci as my daily. I heard the ims issues are fixed on the 997.2. Also I was watching some videos last night cant you do preventative replace the bearing. When you are talking about the outdated tech is that just the nav etc? I think that the latestet 997.2 has a better set up. Also what are your thoughts compared from the 997 to the 991.1?
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I went from an e92 m3 zcp to my current m2 and also have an e46 330ci as my daily. I heard the ims issues are fixed on the 997.2. Also I was watching some videos last night cant you do preventative replace the bearing. When you are talking about the outdated tech is that just the nav etc? I think that the latestet 997.2 has a better set up. Also what are your thoughts compared from the 997 to the 991.1?
Yes,
The problems I experienced were with a mk1 or .1 if you will and that was with the bore scoring.Preventative maintenance can be done with the IMS which the .2 doesn't have of course.The engine is completely different with cooling around the cylinder liners being one of the main differences.The cooling issue in the .1 was one of the main culprits to scoring and mods can get done...but it gets tedious.

The .2 is a far better car but also more expensive ~£13/15K more expensive in the UK to upgrade to the cheapest .2.

Sat nav isn't brilliant and everything is starting to show its age now we're in this digital world and look tired especially the .1,however my original latter comments still remain for whatever model variant you go for.
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      04-29-2016, 01:32 PM   #13
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Yes,
The problems I experienced were with a mk1 or .1 if you will and that was with the bore scoring.Preventative maintenance can be done with the IMS which the .2 doesn't have of course.The engine is completely different with cooling around the cylinder liners being one of the main differences.The cooling issue in the .1 was one of the main culprits to scoring and mods can get done...but it gets tedious.

The .2 is a far better car but also more expensive ~£13/15K more expensive in the UK to upgrade to the cheapest .2.

Sat nav isn't brilliant and everything is starting to show its age now we're in this digital world and look tired especially the .1,however my original latter comments still remain for whatever model variant you go for.

I always end up using my phone for my nav so that really doesn't bug me.I agree when I sat in it looked really outdated. It looks like a brand new car until you see that lol. This would be an add to my current cars. I think that I will wait for a bit and get a 997.2 in maybe four years when those prices come down. or do you think it would be better to get a .1 and put the cash in as preventative?
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I always end up using my phone for my nav so that really doesn't bug me.I agree when I sat in it looked really outdated. It looks like a brand new car until you see that lol. This would be an add to my current cars. I think that I will wait for a bit and get a 997.2 in maybe four years when those prices come down. or do you think it would be better to get a .1 and put the cash in as preventative?
If you twisted my arm and forced me to decide I would say wait for the .2,it's the better car,has a better rep and better residuals.
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If you twisted my arm and forced me to decide I would say wait for the .2,it's the better car,has a better rep and better residuals.
That's what I was thinking and since I won't be able to get one until I pay off my m2 hopefully 997.2 will go down in price. I feel like everyone will be jumping on the 991.1s because of it being the last na 911
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I went 997 to 991 to M2 and going back to 991. I've also recently considering nabbing the 2012 Carrera GTS but their prices are holding way high and you can get nicely optioned 991's for less...
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I went 997 to 991 to M2 and going back to 991. I've also recently considering nabbing the 2012 Carrera GTS but their prices are holding way high and you can get nicely optioned 991's for less...
What do you prefer in the 991 vs the 997? Also what did you not like about the m2 to make the switch back?
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I was reading that some of the later .1s didn't have the issue with I think it was ims. I have been trying to read up. I honestly would love to get as much info because its the next car I'd like to add to the roster.
Yes only 05 C2S had a greater risk for IMS but even 05+ still has a small chance. If you don't want to chance it get a .2 gen which has no IMS bearing at all.
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I know there are a ton of Porsche guys on this forum. What are the pro's and cons of the 997? also which one would you buy m2 or 997?
I picked this up 10 days ago (actually flew to San Antonio, bought it and shipped to NY). 2009, Carrera S, manual, CPO, 23K miles. I had posted in another M2 forum here that this car is 100% analogue in a digital world. The communication is insane: clutch, steering, brakes, turn in, acceleration. If you think an M2 is faster on the street or track: in 2009 Car & Driver recorded 0-60 in 3.8 Seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.4, with the manual. 385 bhp, 310 lb-ft torque, 3,131 lbs. Good luck beating that. It hooks up like nothing else I've ever driven. The power comes on strong from low rpm, no lag, no dead spots, up top it's an animal. I find myself bumping into the rev limiter in 1st and 2nd before I can even glance down at the tach. It's going to take some time to learn how to drive this thing. I love the interior, it's a pure sports car. 7 years old and still tight as a drum. I can care less about "tech" stuff. It has an excellent Bose stereo, blue tooth, navigation and satellite radio, I'm happy. I was on the list for an M2, love BMW's, but had always wanted "the car", for a few more dollars, I bought this and have'nt looked back.

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I picked this up 10 days ago (actually flew to San Antonio, bought it and shipped to NY). 2009, Carrera S, manual, CPO, 23K miles. I had posted in another M2 forum here that this car is 100% analogue in a digital world. The communication is insane: clutch, steering, brakes, turn in, acceleration. If you think an M2 is faster on the street or track: in 2009 Car & Driver recorded 0-60 in 3.8 Seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.4, with the manual. 385 bhp, 310 lb-ft torque, 3,131 lbs. Good luck beating that. It hooks up like nothing else I've ever driven. The power comes on strong from low rpm, no lag, no dead spots, up top it's an animal. I find myself bumping into the rev limiter in 1st and 2nd before I can even glance down at the tach. It's going to take some time to learn how to drive this thing. I love the interior, it's a pure sports car. 7 years old and still tight as a drum. I can care less about "tech" stuff. It has an excellent Bose stereo, blue tooth, navigation and satellite radio, I'm happy. I was on the list for an M2, love BMW's, but had always wanted "the car", for a few more dollars, I bought this and have'nt looked back.

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I know there are a ton of Porsche guys on this forum. What are the pro's and cons of the 997? also which one would you buy m2 or 997?
It's really hard to beat the driving experience of having the engine behind the driver. It really comes down to priorities. If you can live with the down sides of a 997 you should take one for a long test drive.
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It's really hard to beat the driving experience of having the engine behind the driver. It really comes down to priorities. If you can live with the down sides of a 997 you should take one for a long test drive.
in your opinion what were the biggest downsides?
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