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      03-01-2016, 03:14 PM   #1
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10 M2s vs the 911R

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Yeah...that is pretty hot
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      03-01-2016, 07:14 PM   #3
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The best car available for now in the market IMHO (this is the ultimate purist car!!!)
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Yep. Purist car. Even more of a purist car than an M2 in manual.

I'd take one of those over 100 M2's.
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Unfortunately another marketing ploy by Porsche... Unless anyone here owns a 918, or is Jerry Seinfeld, it's just a dream..

Amazing car though....From what I recall, it is 110 lbs lighter than the GT3RS.
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Yeah, Porsches availability with these models is a joke. Just creates massive, artificially inflated prices. Great if you can get a build slot though.
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overpriced POS lol
both n/a 6MT base viper and gt350r matches that car no problem at any track, for 1/2 and 1/3 of the price.

bring on ACR and the beetle++ R would look like a fool.
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Unfortunately another marketing ploy by Porsche... Unless anyone here owns a 918, or is Jerry Seinfeld, it's just a dream..

Amazing car though....From what I recall, it is 110 lbs lighter than the GT3RS.
I just built one. I love it for what it is, but damn 2 colors?
I think I'd be happier with a 991.2 GT3 when they give it a 6MT as well.

Regardless, this is so far out of my realm of possibility. The GT4 is still my "doable" dream
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overpriced POS lol
both n/a 6MT base viper and gt350r matches that car no problem at any track, for 1/2 and 1/3 of the price.

bring on ACR and the beetle++ R would look like a fool.
you are missing the point. This and an ACR couldn't be more different in terms of what they are trying to accomplish.

It terms of Porsche being asses with limited production runs and huge markups, I totally agree.
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Sweet car, but I really like the GT3 style spoilers. Can these be added to the 911R?

Still my all time favorite Porsche is a 997.2 GT3 4.0.
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      03-02-2016, 10:36 AM   #11
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all porsches are so overrated and overpriced lmao

viper (acr or not), c7 grand sport, gt350r are all n/a 6MT, all lightweight, they are for sure more unique and in most cases, way more capable than this over priced beetle++. from pure track time, to sound track, to cylinder count, torque etc.

Porsche fan boys need to get their brain checked out, paying 200k for a vw beetle is just crazy.



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you are missing the point. This and an ACR couldn't be more different in terms of what they are trying to accomplish.

It terms of Porsche being asses with limited production runs and huge markups, I totally agree.
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      03-02-2016, 11:52 AM   #12
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all porsches are so overrated and overpriced lmao

viper (acr or not), c7 grand sport, gt350r are all n/a 6MT, all lightweight, they are for sure more unique and in most cases, way more capable than this over priced beetle++. from pure track time, to sound track, to cylinder count, torque etc.

Porsche fan boys need to get their brain checked out, paying 200k for a vw beetle is just crazy.
lol are you sure about?
firstly, all those cars that you mentioned are front engine. thats already more than enough to justify the difference between a 911 and those american muscle track wannabes. 911r being around 1250kg comes in a lot lighter than those too. You might think 100 or 200kgs isnt alot but in the auto industry. thats a lot of money put in to save that kinda weight.

if i was in the market for a 911r. i would not think twice about those cars that you mentioned. noone would.
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chill bro.
beetle ++'s engine is at the wrong place.
unique? maybe.
stupid? for sure.

There is nothing wrong with c7/viper, where the engine is entirely or mostly behind the front axle.

as I said, 911 is just an over priced 1960s beetle, and the people who paid massive amount of $$ for it, are just pure stupid.

sure, 911s are lighter but they also have less torque and a smaller engine. those v8s v10s are no joke in terms of torque. more weight and more torque I call that a wash.

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lol are you sure about?
firstly, all those cars that you mentioned are front engine. thats already more than enough to justify the difference between a 911 and those american muscle track wannabes. 911r being around 1250kg comes in a lot lighter than those too. You might think 100 or 200kgs isnt alot but in the auto industry. thats a lot of money put in to save that kinda weight.

if i was in the market for a 911r. i would not think twice about those cars that you mentioned. noone would.
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how is the engine in the wrong place? just cuz its in the back?

last time i check ferrari, and lambos all have their engine in the back.

let me educate you a little, the engine being in the back allows for better traction on rwd cars. a lot of the engine weight is placed on the rear axle to give it better traction.
this ultimately results in better throttle response, better weight distribution, and at the end of the day, a better sports car.
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let me educate you a little cause clearly you can't tell the difference or knows anything about any cars.

Ferrari, lambo, p1 and all true super cars are all MR meaning mid-engine. the engine is between the two axles, and with tranny sitting behind it.

some may argue a car like c7 and viper are mid engine cars since the engine is between the two axles, I am not going to get into that right now.

all 911s are rear engines meaning engine is completely behind the rear axle.
it is a stupid retarded design b/c the rotational inertia is way to great. every time you turn (the pivot is obviously at the front wheel) the tail just want to go wide and carrying that passive piece of engine weight with it causing severe oversteer.

what you are paying is for porsche to fix this stupid design. finally after 40+ years they seem to get it under control, somewhat.

get it now?




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how is the engine in the wrong place? just cuz its in the back?

last time i check ferrari, and lambos all have their engine in the back.

let me educate you a little, the engine being in the back allows for better traction on rwd cars. a lot of the engine weight is placed on the rear axle to give it better traction.
this ultimately results in better throttle response, better weight distribution, and at the end of the day, a better sports car.

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As an Arsenal fan, I must apologize for this guy.

He's acting as stupid as our defense on the pitch.

He just doesn't realize that car purchase is completely a personal choice.
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I need the GT3 spoiler on the back.

So give me a GT3RS then

About being the purest 911 ever or a true purist's car:
EPS, ABS, Ceramic brakes, Sport Cup tyres and the rear steering axle (for the fun of it as Preuninger stated), is that purist in Porsche's book? Fine with me....

Nice car but it's a bit marketing at Porsche as well.

For me GT4 and GT3RS and you can fight about who will get the 911R.

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lol are you sure about?
firstly, all those cars that you mentioned are front engine. thats already more than enough to justify the difference between a 911 and those american muscle track wannabes. 911r being around 1250kg comes in a lot lighter than those too. You might think 100 or 200kgs isnt alot but in the auto industry. thats a lot of money put in to save that kinda weight.

if i was in the market for a 911r. i would not think twice about those cars that you mentioned. noone would.
Don't mind this kid, he is the resident 911 troll on BMW forums.

The 911 RSR just won two championships last year in WEC and IMSA. The pinnacle of sports car racing in the world.

Just find it odd that he thinks the 911 platform is so worthless, yet it beat every mid-engine and front-engine car racing last year. Cars according to him are supposedly built on superior chassis layouts.
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all porsches are so overrated and overpriced lmao

viper (acr or not), c7 grand sport, gt350r are all n/a 6MT, all lightweight, they are for sure more unique and in most cases, way more capable than this over priced beetle++. from pure track time, to sound track, to cylinder count, torque etc.

Porsche fan boys need to get their brain checked out, paying 200k for a vw beetle is just crazy.
The 911R is:
-300 lbs lighter than the ACR
-500 lbs lighter than the Z06
-600 lbs lighter than the GT350R

You think it is cheap to make a light car nowadays?

And the 911R comes with a GT3RS engine.

In MotorTrends test with the Z06 vs ACR vs GT3RS:
-0 to 60: GT3RS wins
-Quartermile: GT3RS wins

The GT3RS, which is heavier than the 911R, beat the Americans at their game. Now imagine the 911R with a PDK, which is the one of the best transmissions in the world. (ACR did win on the track course, but expected)

Yes, that's just a magazine review with some flawed driving, but it does show you that numbers: in dollars, in HP, in 0 to 60 times, whatever, don't mean everything like you want to believe.

People with that kind of money who can afford a 911R want everything: a world-class performer, a world-class interior, top-notch service, and exclusivity and financial appreciation and attract the opposite sex and worldwide respect. A 911R will do all that AND still easily keep up with the cars you mentioned.

The Viper ACR (which I love) is as capable on a track as the 918 or P1 or Aventador. You think I am getting the ACR over those cars if I had the money.. Hell no!

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GT3RS has up to 345kg downforce which obviously the 911R does not. The new rear diffusor on the 911R helps a bit.

So 911R pursists streetcar.
GT3RS trackdaywarrior.

Sadly no MT in GT3RS for now but having stated the downforce info I'd go for a GT3RS anytime.

And I'm not a purist by Porsche standards, also fine with me.

I'd take a RUF SCR 4.2 over a 911R as well



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I need the GT3 spoiler on the back.

So give me a GT3RS then

About being the purest 911 ever or a true purist's car:
EPS, ABS, Ceramic brakes, Sport Cup tyres and the rear steering axle (for the fun of it as Preuninger stated), is that purist in Porsche's book? Fine with me....

Nice car but it's a bit marketing at Porsche as well.

For me GT4 and GT3RS and you can fight about who will get the 911R.

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Tell me another car that has a single-mass flywheel as an option because it saves additional 5 kg.

I get what you're saying, but I think that in today's terms it is very "pure" (gah, starting to hate this word) - no radio, no A/C, etc.
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Sweet car, but I really like the GT3 style spoilers. Can these be added to the 911R?

Still my all time favorite Porsche is a 997.2 GT3 4.0.
I like it that the 911R is missing the wing - it is a little more "stealth" if that's possible in a 6 figure car.
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