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      01-26-2016, 06:58 PM   #1
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M2 vs 2017 Cayman Base

I get the discussion about the M2 versus a used 2014 Cayman S. For those of us that don't actually require a back seat, it's an interesting trade off. But what about the upcoming 718 Cayman Base? If the new 4 cyl offers enough power (296hp, 280 ft/lb) to allow it to get out of it's own way, would that not represent a new-from-the-dealer Porsche alternative if priced reasonably close to the M2?
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      01-26-2016, 08:13 PM   #2
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I just noticed that the new 718 Boxster was introduced today: "The base gets a 2.0 300 horsepower version, the S moves up to a 2.5 and 350 horsepower." http://jalopnik.com/2017-porsche-718...-it-1755317137

Good question, but not sure if I can answer it as of now until some reviews come out (or I test drive it). Porsche really has to do this right because as of now there is a lot uncertainty with the new turbo-4. It has turned off a lot of people, but I am not going to make judgement yet. At least it has more usable low-end torque for street driving, one of the bigger complaints of the 981 and previous gens. So it's give-and-take...

I'm a "glass is half full" guy, so I am expecting something good, except for the exhaust sound! Now the chassis, that's going to remain flawless! And that's what Cayman/Boxster fans go for primarily anyway.

Also, these engines will be easier to tune obviously and extract more power than the NAs

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Don't care how many turbo's it has or how marvelous the chassis is - you won't see me spending $50k+ on a 4 cylinder car.

I'll take the parts bin N55 over the 4 cylinder.
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Wasn't planning on taking the cylinders out to spend time with them. If the engine has smooth power delivery, sounds good, and is reliable, don't think I really care how many cylinders it has. Never considered a base Cayman because it was underpowered with 6 cylinders. If it has enough power with the new 4 cyl while retaining all the other things good about it, the trade off starts to get tough.
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I just noticed that the new 718 Boxster was introduced today: "The base gets a 2.0 300 horsepower version, the S moves up to a 2.5 and 350 horsepower." http://jalopnik.com/2017-porsche-718...-it-1755317137

Good question, but not sure if I can answer it as of now until some reviews come out (or I test drive it). Porsche really has to do this right because as of now there is a lot uncertainty with the new turbo-4. It has turned off a lot of people, but I am not going to make judgement yet. At least it has more usable low-end torque for street driving, one of the bigger complaints of the 981 and previous gens. So it's give-and-take...

I'm a "glass is half full" guy, so I am expecting something good, except for the exhaust sound! Now the chassis, that's going to remain flawless! And that's what Cayman/Boxster fans go for primarily anyway.

Also, these engines will be easier to tune obviously and extract more power than the NAs
I expect it to be a very good car, and one that performs awesome. The published 0-60 times are faster than a GT4 and on par with a 991.1, and the chassis is already about as awesome as it could be on this platform - so you won't have to worry about performance.

I too am going to with hold judgment until I can drive one...but I can't see the car being as satisfying from the experience standpoint. That was one of the main reasons I left BMW - being able to hear the exhaust and real induction noise is so intoxicating - it makes the commute so much more fun, not to mention that I drive the car just for fun.

Will it perform better and be faster? Absolutely. Do I want to give up what I have? That will be a hard mountain for the revised car to climb.
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I expect it to be a very good car, and one that performs awesome. The published 0-60 times are faster than a GT4 and on par with a 991.1, and the chassis is already about as awesome as it could be on this platform - so you won't have to worry about performance.
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Never considered a base Cayman because it was underpowered with 6 cylinders. If it has enough power with the new 4 cyl while retaining all the other things good about it, the trade off starts to get tough.

These points are key... The new 718 Cayman S is going to be as fast as the current GT4. That means the upcoming Cayman GTS and GT4 (it'll happen) are going to be pretty damn fast! I prefer a manual, but a 718 GTS with PDK is going to be no slouch.
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These points are key... The new 718 Cayman S is going to be as fast as the current GT4. That means the upcoming Cayman GTS and GT4 (it'll happen) are going to be pretty damn fast! I prefer a manual, but a 718 GTS with PDK is going to be no slouch.
You have the only MT, NA GT4 that was ever made. Don't EVER give it up.

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Damn if the new Cayman S is as fast as the GT4 stock imagine with a tune.
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Damn if the new Cayman S is as fast as the GT4 stock imagine with a tune.
Yup! COBB tune, etc... The new Cayman S with a tune is going to surprise some poeple.
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Wow...as fast as a GT4? Where is that link?
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Wow...as fast as a GT4? Where is that link?
Hmm.. how about the Porsche website.

981 GT4: 385hp, 309 ft/lb, curb weight 2955 lbs. Porsche specified 0-60 of 4.2 sec

718 S: 350hp, 309 ft/lb, curb weight 2988 lbs (6MT). Porsche specified 0-60 of 4.0 sec w/PDK and sport chrono, 4.2 sec without. 4.4 sec with 6MT.

So.. maybe Porsche is specifying the GT4 time with the manual tranny. That or maybe the down low torque of the 2.5 4cyl turbo engine gets you to 60 faster. If you consider track times, other things would come into play.
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Speciations maybe one thing - I'll reserve judgement until the Ring Times are out.

The difference between the GT4 and Cayman S for Ring times were huge. These numbers look promising for sure, but I'll reserve judgement.

This makes me wonder if I should just get a M2 now - have it for like 3 years and change over to this car once the prices go down. and get the best of both worlds.

But by then I'll be like 38 and everyone will think I'm in a mid life crisis when I'm just BALLIN!!!
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So.. maybe Porsche is specifying the GT4 time with the manual tranny.
It would have to be the manual transmission in the GT4... because that's the only way it comes.

lol at comparing 0-60 times.. no offense but man some of you guys are bench racers
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It would have to be the manual transmission in the GT4... because that's the only way it comes.

lol at comparing 0-60 times.. no offense but man some of you guys are bench racers
0-60 is all that's available right now chief. That and a few spec's. So when you see '718 S as fast as a GT4' that's likely what they're referring to. Nobody on this forum thinks that's anything but an interesting artifact. But hey.. feel free to insult people who try to help you when you appear clueless at finding information on your own. Still, you are right about one thing: I could care less about racing or ring times.

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0-60 is all that's available right now chief. That and a few spec's. So when you see '718 S as fast as a GT4' that's likely what they're referring to. Nobody on this forum thinks that's anything but an interesting artifact. But hey.. feel free to insult people who try to help you when you appear clueless at finding information on your own. Still, you are right about one thing: I could care less about racing or ring times.
I wasn't try to insult anyone. I just feel like a lot of people on here put too much emphasis on 0-60 times. It's a metric that most can't even reproduce in real world conditions and represents very little about a car's performance.
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I am sure the 718 Cayman will be a great improvement from another great car: lighter, more power. Porsche is usually renown for their exceptional "racing-ready out-of-the-dealer" cars. The 718 will not be any different.

As far as comparing it to the M2: all I can say they can't be compared since the 718 is missing 2 seats!!!
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Yup! COBB tune, etc... The new Cayman S with a tune is going to surprise some poeple.
Yep because it won't just be fast in a straight line (it will be) but will also have the chassis, brakes, and suspension needed to navigate a corner. It's going to be a very good car - of that I have no doubt.
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In terms of handling - i think the cayman is the standard for which majority of cars will follow. It's always be lower on power because it really didn't need it.

I drove one for the weekend, it was fantastic...the grip ...OMG. And i'm coming from an EVO!
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Not being able to fit a golf bag in the Cayman GTS is a deal breaker for me. Hopefully the Cayman S 718 will make room for trips to the course.
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For me it's being able to move an acoustic guitar and a wife at the same time. It's a fine car and would make a great toy, but in the end I need a little more room.
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For me it's being able to move an acoustic guitar and a wife at the same time. It's a fine car and would make a great toy, but in the end I need a little more room.
Roof rack for the guitar (or wife)?
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