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      10-23-2015, 04:40 AM   #1
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M2 vs TTS

Have anyone considered the TTS vs M2?

I know they are quite different cars, but I'm in love with the interior of the TTS, and the exterior doesn't look half bad. If only it would have more rear-biased 4WD...
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I had considered one before getting my 235, but they were nearly impossible to find in the flesh - just to see one, much less drive it.

I think it would be an interesting comparison that would be split down typical BMW and Audi strengths/biases.
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TTRS will be the proper competition for M2 but who knows when that will hit the US. There is a discussion of TTS vs M235i going on on the 2er page and sounds like the TTS might slot in equally or just slightly above M235i as far as performance goes.
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TTRS will be the proper competition for M2 but who knows when that will hit the US. There is a discussion of TTS vs M235i going on on the 2er page and sounds like the TTS might slot in equally or just slightly above M235i as far as performance goes.
I agree, except that the TTRS will probably top $62k base. But I just configured a 2016 AMG CLA45 and it came in at $60k with Recaros. . .
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TTRS will be the proper competition for M2 but who knows when that will hit the US. There is a discussion of TTS vs M235i going on on the 2er page and sounds like the TTS might slot in equally or just slightly above M235i as far as performance goes.
I drove the TTS (and started the thread). I think it's fair to say that in order of performance you'd go 228, TT, M235, TTS, assume M2 then TTRS (haven't driven last 2 obvs). Pricing-wise the BMWs are better value, so comparing $ to $ you'd have to say the M2 is probably a better choice than the TTS. The fact that the Audis are priced like the next car up from BMW is going to be a challenge for them. If the TTS were slotted squarely between the 235 and M2, for instance, a lot of us would consider them more seriously. That said for those of us who need AWD the M2 isn't a viable option.
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One other thing worth mentioning the sport seats in the Audi are very tight. Could well be a non-starter for some.
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I just test drove a TT and was disappointed that you can't get low enough in the S-sport seats Totally spoils the sports car feeling.
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      10-31-2015, 02:10 PM   #8
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I think it's fair to say that in order of performance you'd go 228, TT, M235, TTS, assume M2 then TTRS (haven't driven last 2 obis).
No offense, but that order is literally crazy talk.

I own a MKVI GTI and a 228, and I've driven the new/current-gen TT. It is a dog. It felt like a pig, is slow, and, frankly, the quattro system (while no doubt amazing) suffered the dual misfortune of both making the car boring to drive and never becoming useful in spirited driving because the car is a slow pig (a feeling likely exacerbated by having AWD in a not super quick car).

Literally the only positive about the car, from a purely performance perspective, was the DSG/stronic gearbox. I love that transmission as much in the TT as I do in my GTI, and I am sure that I will love the DCT in the M2.

Aesthetically, the TT/S/RS is a beautiful car, inside and out, and the TFT dashboard is awesome. But to say that the TT outperforms the 228i is a joke. Audi is claiming 0-60 of 5.3s while BMW is claiming 0-60 of 5.4s. We know the 228i will do it in 4.9s based on #magazineracing. Even if the TT were 0.1s faster, it would be a boring 0.1s that cost you $10,000.

Regardless, the 228i xDrive --comparing apples to apples-- has the same claimed 0-60 of 5.3s, and is $2k more, not $10k more.

If you need AWD there's always xdrive.
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I like the idea of a TTS because it might be a better daily driver than the M2. I think the M2 has a lot more personality, but without adaptive suspension, the firm ride would get tiring on 45 minutes to and from work each day. Thats my big concern now, unfortunately. And minus to both of them, neither car has adaptive cruise control. Also a nice to have when 25 of the 45 minute commute is in bumper to bumper traffic. Fortunately the other 20 mins is on glorious windy back roads. I need a car that can handle both!
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I think it's fair to say that in order of performance you'd go 228, TT, M235, TTS, assume M2 then TTRS (haven't driven last 2 obis).
No offense, but that order is literally crazy talk.

I own a MKVI GTI and a 228, and I've driven the new/current-gen TT. It is a dog. It felt like a pig, is slow, and, frankly, the quattro system (while no doubt amazing) suffered the dual misfortune of both making the car boring to drive and never becoming useful in spirited driving because the car is a slow pig (a feeling likely exacerbated by having AWD in a not super quick car).

Literally the only positive about the car, from a purely performance perspective, was the DSG/stronic gearbox. I love that transmission as much in the TT as I do in my GTI, and I am sure that I will love the DCT in the M2.

Aesthetically, the TT/S/RS is a beautiful car, inside and out, and the TFT dashboard is awesome. But to say that the TT outperforms the 228i is a joke. Audi is claiming 0-60 of 5.3s while BMW is claiming 0-60 of 5.4s. We know the 228i will do it in 4.9s based on #magazineracing. Even if the TT were 0.1s faster, it would be a boring 0.1s that cost you $10,000.

Regardless, the 228i xDrive --comparing apples to apples-- has the same claimed 0-60 of 5.3s, and is $2k more, not $10k more.

If you need AWD there's always xdrive.
funny I think the 228 is a total pig. Everytime I get one as a loaner I cringe!

the TT is a much better car than the 228....much lighter and with a far superior transmission and suspension. The 228 feels soft and floaty....totally disconnected from the road based on the 3 different loaners I've had. I'm NOT really a fan of the mk3 TT but I'm even less of a fan of the 228....sorry!
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the TT is a much better car than the 228....much lighter and with a far superior transmission and suspension.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Since the TT is MQB/transverse, it's primarily a FWD car, just like the Golf R, even though it is Haldex 5.

As I already mentioned, the dual-clutch is a great transmission, but the car feels underpowered. To each his own.
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In all honesty I think part of my interest in the TTS is just boredom with the m235. Not that it's a boring car, I just get bored with everything I drive after a year or two and am not all that excited about having the same thing again after my lease is up. I'd be in basically the same car for 6 years that way.

With the leases on the BMW getting much worse since I got mine, the gap between that and the TTS may narrow to the point that it's not a huge $ difference to make the change if the Audi programs improve a bit.
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So, I had the opportunity to test drive a lightly used TTS, and interestingly to me, did not suck. It's quite fast, right around M235i/M2 territory, but is a little lower and smaller to give you more of a hand in glove feel. The exterior looks could be debated based on taste, but I like it. However, that interior makes the BMW look like throwback styling. It's just so awesome from the seats to the virtual cockpit and it's all very easy to switch views, driving modes etc. Only issue is the lack of a proper backseat. I'd rather have the inline 6 motor of the BMW, but the inline 4 2.0t has also been around awhile and seems to be highly reliable.

The new price is right in the same range as the M2. TTS doesn't have the cache of an M car but for that price you are getting DCT equivalent, AWD with rear bias if desired and incredible interior styling. I think it is worth looking at if you're going to spend that kind of money anyway. Most of us here wouldn't switch from BMW but it's always good to see what the other guys are doing.
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So, I had the opportunity to test drive a lightly used TTS, and interestingly to me, did not suck. It's quite fast, right around M235i/M2 territory, but is a little lower and smaller to give you more of a hand in glove feel. The exterior looks could be debated based on taste, but I like it. However, that interior makes the BMW look like throwback styling. It's just so awesome from the seats to the virtual cockpit and it's all very easy to switch views, driving modes etc. Only issue is the lack of a proper backseat. I'd rather have the inline 6 motor of the BMW, but the inline 4 2.0t has also been around awhile and seems to be highly reliable.

The new price is right in the same range as the M2. TTS doesn't have the cache of an M car but for that price you are getting DCT equivalent, AWD with rear bias if desired and incredible interior styling. I think it is worth looking at if you're going to spend that kind of money anyway. Most of us here wouldn't switch from BMW but it's always good to see what the other guys are doing.
The backseat issue crosses it off of my list right away because I need to be able to haul kids around. And if I wanted a two seat weekend no kids fun 3rd car, I would probably be looking at a cayman s.
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Kids fit back there. 6' adults? Not so much.
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Kids fit back there. 6' adults? Not so much.
I'm 5'6" and 150 lbs and I can't fit back thrre
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Kids fit back there. 6' adults? Not so much.
I'm 5'6" and 150 lbs and I can't fit back thrre
Same, no chance for all but smallest of kids really occasional use.
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actually debating this right now myself. I can order a TTS and it will be here in 3 months. Or based on the way allocations on the M2 have been going... probably wait a year for an m2. I have had the chance to test drive the TTS and sit in the M2. Completely different sized cars. Power wise it's a toss up. A stage 2 TTS will be just as fast as a stage 2 M2. Argument for the M2 is the backseat (if you need it) and depreciation. Guaranteed in 5 years the M2 is worth significantly more than the TTS. Argument for the TTS is the interior/sound system is literally 2 steps ahead of the M2. The TTS is a lighter easier/cheaper to mod car.
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Actually the 2017s are about to arrive so some Audi dealers are doing discounts on remaining 16s.
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actually debating this right now myself. I can order a TTS and it will be here in 3 months. Or based on the way allocations on the M2 have been going... probably wait a year for an m2. I have had the chance to test drive the TTS and sit in the M2. Completely different sized cars. Power wise it's a toss up. A stage 2 TTS will be just as fast as a stage 2 M2. Argument for the M2 is the backseat (if you need it) and depreciation. Guaranteed in 5 years the M2 is worth significantly more than the TTS. Argument for the TTS is the interior/sound system is literally 2 steps ahead of the M2. The TTS is a lighter easier/cheaper to mod car.
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