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      05-16-2015, 04:33 PM   #1
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2016 Camaro vs M2

In the past, this would have been a completely asinine comparison. I'm sure some will say it still is. But the new model is down on weight, has a more functional design, and the performance cannot be denied. I must admit, replacing my E92 V8 with another V8 is tempting. Especially after you hear it, my God does it sound good. What do you guys think - even on your radar?

http://www.chevrolet.com/2016-camaro/
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Car looks very, very nice. Big improvement over the 5th gen. With that said, for this generation, I prefer the exterior looks of the mustang, and interior of the Camaro. That interior is awesome.

Also, if not everyone and their mother drove a mustang or camaro, I'd consider it more, but the styling of the Camaro especially is a little too 'hot wheels' looking for me. M2 will be much more 'serious' looking.
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      05-16-2015, 05:02 PM   #3
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A lighter more nimble 6.2 liter v8 What is not to like?

Not on my radar until they crank out a zl1 version, then things really get interesting.

Interior seemed a bit simple but much improved over the 5th gen.

The exterior styling looks pretty decent from some angles and meh on others. Overall I think they did a decent job with the freshened look and if really 200lbs lighter does make it a bit more interesting.

I think if you want to save a buck a SS might be for you else wait for a zl1 version to come out next year.
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Thanks for posting this. I had only seen test mules and renderings of the new Camaro.

I'm glad it's lost weight! The 5th gen is bad ass (SS, ZL1) but is a pig. The 6th generation car looks like a proper Camaro (ie 60's proportions) but is completely modern. I like it. The GM V8 is glorious and with a 6MT, Brembos and dialed in suspension, this car will be a blast to drive.

I think a lot of drivers will choose the new Camaro over the M2 because of price, and for the V8. Everyone else will choose the M2 because it's a BMW and as such it will be more refined and have that "Euro" feel that the Americans just can't quite capture.
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My friend has a Camaro Z28 and Corvette ZO6 both 2015, he loves the Z28 more but says GM is frustrating, like the ZO6 doesn't have park sensors.
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Nope, saw it and it just looks like a body kit placed on the 5th gen.
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If a car does not have good outward visibility it is critically and fatally flawed.
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If a car does not have good outward visibility it is critically and fatally flawed.
yes because a car sold half a million times is critically and fatally flawed.
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If a car does not have good outward visibility it is critically and fatally flawed.
Lol...that describes most of the most coveted sport cars in the world!!!
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My friend has a Camaro Z28 and Corvette ZO6 both 2015, he loves the Z28 more but says GM is frustrating, like the ZO6 doesn't have park sensors.
i just found a Corvette Z06 convertible with parking sensors
http://www.emichchevrolet.com/specs-...36747120150128
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i just found a Corvette Z06 convertible with parking sensors
http://www.emichchevrolet.com/specs-...36747120150128
Car a bit over $100000 MSRP and no parking sensors - it was ordered early one of the first off the assembly line, just frustrating sensors not standard

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Seriously, we're taking about parking sensors and visibility on a performance car!? What has this world come to?

By the way, my e92 doesn't have parking sensors and looks much better without all the dimples on the rear bumper. Fortunately, my head still rotates from side to side should I need to look behind me when backing up.
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yes because a car sold half a million times is critically and fatally flawed.
Actually it is. It's been the single largest complaint against the car. GM noted this and said those that purchase this car would rather tolerate it that compromise the cars profile. Says a lot about their target audience and GM. And for those that fail to recognize visibility as being as important as power, steering, and brakes. The great unwashed can have the Camaro or any other car you can't see out of. Part of why I keep coming back to BMW's.
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Seriously, we're taking about parking sensors and visibility on a performance car!? What has this world come to?

By the way, my e92 doesn't have parking sensors and looks much better without all the dimples on the rear bumper. Fortunately, my head still rotates from side to side should I need to look behind me when backing up.
The $4000 carbon fiber ground effects pkg on the Zo7 is enough for me to want parking sensor.
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I don't get it. The 2016 Camaro is a huge step back from the prior gen in terms of looks. It's outright fugly. So Fugly that I couldn't imagine buying one even if it ran circles around a C7.

Shudder. I could not imagine having to look at that thing every day.

YMMV.
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I don't get it. The 2016 Camaro is a huge step back from the prior gen in terms of looks. It's outright fugly. So Fugly that I couldn't imagine buying one even if it ran circles around a C7.

Shudder. I could not imagine having to look at that thing every day.

YMMV.
Hm, I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but don't act like 'you don't get it' just because you have a different opinion than most.

I think it looks pretty damn good, especially the interior. That's my opinion.
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If a car does not have good outward visibility it is critically and fatally flawed.
So very true, I rented the previous version and the width the the windshield was about 2 feet. Nuts to say the least. Camero versus m2 get real, night and day, no comparison at all.
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The Camaro will easily outsell the M2. It will be significantly cheaper, and much more accessible/popular.

Owned a 5th gen... You'd be hard pressed to find any Camaro folks who would even take a second glance at an M2. It's just not appealing to the average Muscle car type. They're very brand loyal, and very patriotic. Not to mention HP hungry.

Find me a thread even mentioning the M2 on a non BMW forum. (Especially a muscle car forum) And if you by some miracle do find one.. Make note of how much attention it is getting.

You would be hard pressed. I wonder if it will get more attention when they start releasing more details later? I don't imagine it getting the respect it deserves outside of the small following and enthusiasts/journalists.

The M2 is targeting much more of a niche market.
And I would wager that the higher trim Camaro's are going to run circles around an M2. Not just in a straight line either. I wish it weren't the case, but I'd put money on it.

PERSONALLY. I anticipate that the M2 will be a MUCH more enjoyable drive. And I anticipate that I will likely prefer the styling over the Camaro. The Camaro will be a way better deal financially and a better performer. Be interesting to see an M2 vs one of the smaller engine Camaro's ? I just cant imagine the M2 hanging with the v8, especially when the performance trims come out. I think it will certainly best some of the lower tiers though.

Quality isn't even in the same league. GM is horrible. BMW is too expensive though outside of warranty.. So each has their downside.

I always get a kick out of all the non Camaro owners, or.. the "I rented one for a few days" folks... Or, " I sat in one for 5 minutes once. " trying to defend the visibility. Whether you love the car or not, and choose to live with that or not. You absolutely cannot by any logical means deny that the visibility in that thing is absolutely wretched. It is a very very common complaint.

A lot of current owners were disappointed that it was not addressed. And when you live with it on a daily basis, for years... Believe me. It gets old. I never had any trouble parking or driving my car "technically". I never had any accidents. But it was absolutely a nuisance that realistically just subtracts from the pleasure of the driving experience. You have to be willing to sacrifice it for the other features it offers.

I've no interest in owning another Camaro. I loved looking at it. I loved the torque.. That is about where the list of positives end. And I don't imagine myself ever giving another dollar to GM after the past 3 GM vehicles. Not to mention, GM basically addressed NONE of the short-comings of the previous Camaro. Yes, the new one is basically an improvement all around. It looks to be a fantastic car. But not addressing any of the biggest complaints puzzles me.

I am excited to SEE this elusive M2. But tbh, everyone else is showing theirs... I'm getting bored of waiting for virtually any updates on the M2, and the lack of colors deflated my interest further... basically cementing that I will not be interested in the M2 at least for the first couple years of production.

I would like to take one of the later performance trims of the Camaro for a spin. I would like to own a later M2 when they offer more colors and get any tweaks out of the way. If they however decided to only run them for a year or so, or charge an absurd price.. I won't be getting one.

I don't think these two cars are on even playing fields as far as comparing though.
Very different target audience.

M2 = higher cost, higher quality, more balanced, better all round driving experience with a more subtle grown up appearance.
Camaro = cheaper, higher power, better performance and obnoxious styling.

I'd be surprised if the number of people shopping both of them wasn't quite low.

If I had to pick one, it would be the M2 every time though.
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Intelligent and even handed post AT-ST. A little off topic but I have to ask: if they had, somehow and without making it look ridiculous, fixed the visibility problem would that make you interested in buying another and/or was it overall just too big or otherwise not the end all?
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The $4000 carbon fiber ground effects pkg on the Zo7 is enough for me to want parking sensor.
Porsche 911 GT3 has no parking sensors, because raceccar. And that is what the Z06 with Z07 package is.
http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/7...g-sensors.html
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I personally think it is a sweet looking car. I like the idea of all that horsepower, price tag, and the interior design. I wouldn't mind it as a second car, but a BMW's prestige is always going to more than a Chevy. I personally would always choose the M2 over a Camero even if the Camero was a better car in every way. It is still a Chevy and not a BMW. I am very much a brand snob and will always purchase cars with a more prestigious brand name. Hance I would always buy a Porsche Cayman over any Chevy Corvette. To me the choice is simple. If I had the more prestigious vehicle already, the Corvette maybe a fun second or even third car.
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Porsche 911 GT3 has no parking sensors, because raceccar. And that is what the Z06 with Z07 package is.
http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/7...g-sensors.html

That's actually a really good forum thread - BTW I'm in Maryland also Baltimore Co.
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