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      03-30-2015, 07:55 AM   #1
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      03-30-2015, 08:16 AM   #2
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Here is the problem. It's a Hyundai, and people are going think that when they shop. A certain stigma, if you will. And I don't think that they are going to put 320-340 hp and charge 30-40k for it. How many people are going to buy a hot hatch Hyundai for that much? Especially when you have the proven Ecotech brand from Ford, and the fact that Ford's RS badge has a huge following in Europe, and now is finally available here. And then there is the GTI/Golf R/Golf R400 factor. And then how many people who would cross shop the Ford RS/Golf R400 and M2, would cross shop the Veloster?
Hyundai's Genesis Coupe was supposed to go up against the Ford Mustang V6, Camaro V6, Challenger V6, Toyota GT86. Yet it didn't make a dent in those sales, and it looked like a melted Infiniti G37.
Apparently Hyundai may reposition it as an actual BMW 4 series, Infiniti Q60, Lexus RC, Cadillac ATS Coupe, Audi A5, Mercedes C Class Coupe competitor.

So, that being said, how are they going to reposition the Veloster? It's a somewhat cutesy budget coupe FWDish coupe.

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I have a buddy who has one of the current Veloster turbos - it is a nice little car and very fun to drive. I think they would need to have some clever front axle differential if you were to give it a lot more power, or make it AWD, but it would be interesting for sure.

Anyone who hasn't been in a newer Hyundai should take a look - the interiors are very nice and are cutting edge from a technology standpoint. Both they and Kia also have some of the best warranties in the business. Would I cross shop one with an M2? Probably not, but I can't say that for sure...it might be worth Hyundai's time to create a lux/sport brand like Acura, Lexus, or Infiniti to help offset the whole brand identity thing.
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What are the specs on this thing? Is it a regular Veloster? If so, it belongs in the class of Civic Si, Dodge Dart SRT, Focus ST, etc.....Not an M2 which, to state bluntly, would piss all over it.
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Reminds me of the Clio V6. Such a proper cult car that!
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Seems you guys missed something. This is not a FWD Veloster but a mid-rear engine Veloster, like the Renault R5 Turbo, Clio V6 and Mégane Trophy.

Think about BMW "M1" based on F20 with mid-rear engine. Of course like all other mid-rear engine hatches, they have only two seats left.
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Seems you guys missed something. This is not a FWD Veloster but a mid-rear engine Veloster, like the Renault R.
I'm thinking maybe it is you that missed something...like the part where IT'S...A...HYUNDAI.
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Seems you guys missed something. This is not a FWD Veloster but a mid-rear engine Veloster, like the Renault R5 Turbo, Clio V6 and Mégane Trophy.

Think about BMW "M1" based on F20 with mid-rear engine. Of course like all other mid-rear engine hatches, they have only two seats left.
Again, if they would build it, how would they position it? And what would they charge? It would have to be cheap enough for those who want to buy it, but they have to offset the engineering costs of producing a mid engined variant.
Maybe this is a special one off.
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I'm thinking maybe it is you that missed something...like the part where IT'S...A...HYUNDAI.
As closed minded as that sounds, I think you're right. People who are shopping for a M2 are not likely top cross shop a hyundai... because it's a hyundai. The new Veloster may be an intriguing car, but hyundai doesn't have the performance history or image to attract performance seeking buyers. Companies like Porsche or even Ford have proven they have the ability to make solid performance cars and that is why potential M2 buyers cross shop them. I am in no way interested in the veloster, but I would think their target market would be a lower priced equivalent to a WRX (maybe STI?) or GTI.
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Ok. Close thread.

As I see M2 buyers are not interested in what a car is about, but solely about the badges on the car.

For them M2 is not better than M235i because is has a different suspension setting and geometry, because its steering is tuned to be more direct, etc..but just because in the hierarchy 2 Series < M235i < M2 < ...

Of course better would be M2 GT Comfort Edition Limited with 3D B&W soundsytem, 3D HUD, Thai-Logic Massage seats.
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As closed minded as that sounds, I think you're right. People who are shopping for a M2 are not likely top cross shop a hyundai... because it's a hyundai. The new Veloster may be an intriguing car, but hyundai doesn't have the performance history or image to attract performance seeking buyers. Companies like Porsche or even Ford have proven they have the ability to make solid performance cars and that is why potential M2 buyers cross shop them. I am in no way interested in the veloster, but I would think their target market would be a lower priced equivalent to a WRX (maybe STI?) or GTI.
Remember, Hyundai did poach the head of M Division...
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Remember, Hyundai did poach the head of M Division...
Really? I was unaware of that. Well ties into my original point. I wouldn't be opposed to picking up a hyundai down the road if they have a proven track record of producing great performance cars and gain credibility in the market segment, which they currently do not have. I mean they have to start somewhere, right? Maybe this veloster is the start to creating competition to the big boys like BMW, but I won't be the first one to determine if that's the case hah.
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Seems you guys missed something. This is not a FWD Veloster but a mid-rear engine Veloster, like the Renault R5 Turbo, Clio V6 and Mégane Trophy.

Think about BMW "M1" based on F20 with mid-rear engine. Of course like all other mid-rear engine hatches, they have only two seats left.
In that case, I do see it as a competitor, just not in the US as none of the 3 cars in your first paragraph you mentioned made it over here. Same with this mid-engine Veloster.
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Ok. Close thread.

As I see M2 buyers are not interested in what a car is about, but solely about the badges on the car.

For them M2 is not better than M235i because is has a different suspension setting and geometry, because its steering is tuned to be more direct, etc..but just because in the hierarchy 2 Series &lt; M235i &lt; M2 &lt; ...

Of course better would be M2 GT Comfort Edition Limited with 3D B&W soundsytem, 3D HUD, Thai-Logic Massage seats.
I know you are saying this sarcastically, but it's largely true. BMW's move over the last decade or so away from sporty cars to more practical cars has yielded a much larger market share. Don't expect this to change anytime soon.
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I am concerned with the position Hyundai has achieved on the JD Powers 10 worst list in terms of initial defects. I am not concerned with impressing anyone with the label on my car.

At least some of us here are interested in the M2 not as a statement of financial wherewithal in hopes of social ascendancy, but for what it is: a unique mix of daily driver and outright performance. If BMW ever chooses to share more information about the car we can compare it to the alternatives. However, unlike that recent past, the alternatives for practical performance now include a range of vehicles. Muscle cars that actually handle well, hot hatches that will outrun time honored favorites on the road if not the track, and affordable sports cars like a base Corvette that are ridiculously fast.

All of these have their own list of trade off's versus an M2. Thing is, now we have things to trade off against and BMW better keep their game up. As for a mid-engine RWD Velocitor with over 300hp.. why in the world would we not be interested in that?
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wow love this. totally reminds me of that badass Clio V6 that I always wanted but could never have because Renault won't bring their asses back to the US.

screw badges....who cares. People who are loyal to brands or marques just come across as superficial....judge a car on it's engineering and enjoyment. It's not like BMW are really doing so many great things at the moment....except make horrible new FWD hatches and big fat SUVs for Starbucks runs....
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Damn, those numbers are pretty impressive. For us Americans, that's about 2780 lbs, 295 hp, and 280 ft/lbs of torque. If they ended up doing this right, a mid-engined, RWD hyundai might be very fun.
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