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      11-22-2014, 07:28 AM   #1
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M2 v Cayman GT4

The Cayman R and 1M were closely matched on performance and price. The new Cayman GT4 is said to be costing around £65000 which is a considerable hike over the Cayman R price. M2 will may be in the range of £45000/£50000.

Wonder how close they will be on performance? Cayman will have a big weight advantage and rumoured to have around 380/400 bhp?

Will be interesting to see how these cars compare.
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      11-22-2014, 08:47 AM   #2
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Maybe an M2 GTS will be closer to GT4!
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The Cayman R and 1M were closely matched on performance and price. The new Cayman GT4 is said to be costing around £65000 which is a considerable hike over the Cayman R price. M2 will may be in the range of £45000/£50000.

Wonder how close they will be on performance? Cayman will have a big weight advantage and rumoured to have around 380/400 bhp?

Will be interesting to see how these cars compare.
Id still pick the M2. Im all about every day practicality and usability these days. Plus the M2 will be one beautiful machine!
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      11-22-2014, 11:28 AM   #4
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I'm in a similar boat now. I have been interested in the Porsche Cayman for a while now, and since the release of the 981 I have been lusting after one. With the announcement of the GTS I'm pretty much giddy...

One thing to bear in mind, although the numbers look similar on paper, these cars are nothing alike. Mid-engine 2-seat pure sportscar vs. a 2+2 sports coupe with the engine in front. Also NA flat-6 vs. Turbo (single or twin) I-6.

Porsche tends to be a lot more expensive overall than BMW.

The big advantage (aside from performance) the Cayman has is that it is available right now. So, if you don't want to wait another 2 years to get the M2, then the Cayman (S r GTS) is really the best thing out there right now.

Also, in general I try to avoid buying any car the first model year it's out. I work as an engineer, so I know small bugs and problems tend to sneak into those first models and I'd rather let someone else be their beta testers... So realistically, I probably wouldn't buy an M2 for at least a year or two after it's released. So probably some time if 2017 or 2018 I would want to buy an M2. I don't really want to wait another 2-3 years for something to replace my E82.

So, most likely I'm going to buy the Cayman. Probably... Maybe... I think...
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      11-22-2014, 11:33 AM   #5
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For many the 2+2 means the Cayman is out. It's more expensive but ultimately will be a better sports car perhaps than the M2, hope I'm wrong though!
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I'd take a M235i over a Boxster GT4.
Now the Alfa 4C and M2, that's a really tough choice - M2 may be just too fast and powerful for me to use as a daily driver.
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I'm really looking forward to the GT4. I think it'll be the most exciting Porsche in their line up. The Cayman will finally get the power output the chassis deserves and I think it'll be a better drivers car than any 911.

It would be a tough battle for the M2 against the Cayman's mid-engine, lightweight chassis and Ceramics. We know little about the M2 but it'll have the torque, price and practicality advantage over the GT4.

BTW has anyone ever been on a Porsche waiting list for a GT car? They fill up extremely quick!
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      11-22-2014, 12:12 PM   #8
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I'd take a M235i over a Boxster GT4.
Now the Alfa 4C and M2, that's a really tough choice - M2 may be just too fast and powerful for me to use as a daily driver.
Curious why you would pick the Alfa 4C over the Boxster (Cayman).

To me, the Alfa is a gorgeous car lookswise, but it has a few things going against it. First off it's a 4cyl, second it's auto-only (and not even a dual clutch, if I remember right...) and most important, the Alfa is a pretty new player on the scene. Alfa hasn't even been sold in the US since the 80's and this marks their debut back into the US market.

So, to me, the jury is still out on the 4C. I expect there to be some problems with the first model years... So I would wait for a few iterations before taking the plunge.

The Porsche on the other hand is a known quantity. The 3.4L flat 6 has been in production for quite some time and presumably has most of the bugs worked out... Also Porsche is something of a gold standard in sportscar, Alfa need to build reputation first...

Are there any reviews out there directly comparing the 4C with the Cayman?
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      11-22-2014, 12:38 PM   #9
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There is a road and track comparo of a Cayman vs 4c vs. Elise. The review basically concluded that cayman is most well rounded and perfect day to day sports car. If you want raw, the Elise still provides the most tactile feel. The 4C is sort of between.

I am on my dealer's list for the GT4. The car is expected to have around 380hp and cost $90k base. A hefty sum for a car with rear strut suspension. Whether I get it over an M2 will depend on the details. I already have a Lotus and mught sell it to fund the GT4, whereas I'd keep it if I go with the M2.

So for those also considering the cayman, you really have to decide what you want in a car. The M car is going to be more enjoyable in 80% of daily situations. But as good as the M2 will be, it won't be as good on the track. I'm still figuring it out myself.

One car to do it all will always be a compromise in some way.
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      11-22-2014, 12:42 PM   #10
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Alfa is dual clutch, carbon tub/frame.
So many great cars just that the Alfa looks so amazing.
Alfa is rare, very few people will ever have access to the 4C.
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      11-22-2014, 01:01 PM   #11
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The Alfa certainly has the rarity factor, no doubt.

I have a couple friends with a Lotus Elise, and I have had an opportunity to go for a ride. Very spartan on the inside, pure, raw, no-compromise, track toy. On the track they are very capable cars. On the regular road in daily situations, they can be pretty rough and abrasive...

I agree the 4C sits kind of in the middle, it's just an unknown for me.

I already have a daily driver, and will continue to drive my Tacoma until the wheels fall off. So my consideration of the M2 or Cayman or Alfa is purely for a weekend toy, road trips, date night, garage queen duties, etc...

So, in that regard I do not need a car that is practical for everyday use, but at the same time, I want it to be comfortable and have some luxury to it. The Porsche really seems to fit that bill nicely.

I love my E82, it's a fantastic car, fast, nimble, etc... But I don't really need a backseat, and after seeing more and more 2-series on the road, and observing how much wider and longer they are to the 1-series, it's making me reconsider. I think I want something that's just a bit more 'special'
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      11-22-2014, 01:42 PM   #12
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I wonder how the reliability of these new US bound alfas will be. My dad had a spider way back in the day and said it was the biggest POS he's ever owned (floor board had to be macgyver'd together with tape). Also said it was the most fun to drive car he's ever had.
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When I go for drives on the weekend in the Lotus it feels special because the car is so focused and with my suspension mods, the car rides and handles even better than stock.

Regular Cayman doesn't feel that special to me for a weekend car. Too well rounded. But I think it would fit the bill better than the M2 in that regard, especially if you get the Gts. Not any faster than a regular Cayman but it has all the right options to add to the emotional experience.

Be honest about how you drive and in what situations. M2 will be incredibly fast in real world situations. And for long trips and date night. If you don't drive canyon roads, not sure a Porsche adds anything other than for posing.

For a pure toy, I would always go with the more focused car, but some people don't enjoy that.

Hard to draw any real conclusions because we don't know what the M2 will be like.
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Assuming the M2 is an upgraded M1 (give or take) and the GT4 has the 3.8/400 there is no question - I'd take the GT4 all day long.

Personally I'm going to be very surprised if the GT4 has the 3.8, but I'm usually wrong about these things LOL.
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Understand Porsche will release spec of GT4 in Feb. 2015 will be a great year for new cars so M2 needs to be good. Hope BMW really makes it a special model.
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If Porsche doesn't hold back with the Cayman GT4 while BMW will with the M2 I think this is an easy question to answer.

Now will the GT4 have three pedals...
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Are you guys really cross shopping what will likely be a (usd) $55k M2 to a $100+ Cayman GT4? If I could afford the GT4 I wouldn't be on this forum lol.
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Are you guys really cross shopping what will likely be a (usd) $55k M2 to a $100+ Cayman GT4? If I could afford the GT4 I wouldn't be on this forum lol.
Boom! I don't understand this cross shopping either. Is still be on this forum but if I had money to shell on a $100k+ sports car the M2 would not be one is be considering in the line up. I love what the M2 should be but come on guys it's a 2 series vs a Cayman which arguably is a better car structurally, and in terms of balance than a 911.

My choices would be Cayman, Stingray Z06, i8, R8 to name a few.
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Are you guys really cross shopping what will likely be a (usd) $55k M2 to a $100+ Cayman GT4? If I could afford the GT4 I wouldn't be on this forum lol.
Boom! I don't understand this cross shopping either. Is still be on this forum but if I had money to shell on a $100k+ sports car the M2 would not be one is be considering in the line up. I love what the M2 should be but come on guys it's a 2 series vs a Cayman which arguably is a better car structurally, and in terms of balance than a 911.

My choices would be Cayman, Stingray Z06, i8, R8 to name a few.
For a $100k+ I would consider an M6 or a used Ferrari F430
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Are you guys really cross shopping what will likely be a (usd) $55k M2 to a $100+ Cayman GT4? If I could afford the GT4 I wouldn't be on this forum lol.
+1. They'll get compared I'm sure, but the price isn't even on the same planet. That's what the M2 has going for it. If it starts at $50k, there's going to be few German competitors IMHO
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Or....you could get an M2 and a used 1M or Cayman GTS.
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I'd take a M235i over a Boxster GT4.
Now the Alfa 4C and M2, that's a really tough choice - M2 may be just too fast and powerful for me to use as a daily driver.
Why would you take a M235i over the Cayman GT4, when the M235i is a notch below the M2, and for all intents and purposes, the Cayman GT4 maybe 2 notches above the M2?

And why the Alfa 4C and M2 being a tough choice? You mentioned the DCT in the Alfa, but chances are M2 will have a DCT as well. The Alfa is down on weight, and (yet weighs more in the US) and down on power, but would possible be the better handler.

Someone had mentioned that the Cayman had won out in terms of best all around it when compared to the Elise and 4C, so how would an M2, which would be possibly be nipping at the GT4's heels, be a tough choice between the 4C?
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