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06-16-2022, 09:16 PM | #1 |
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Z vs Supra plus Miata, WRX, Veloster N, F pace
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06-17-2022, 02:25 AM | #2 |
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Interesting to hear how good the supra is again but with a complaint about the rear. Savagegeese said that the rear wasn't perfect but made it fun. I hope they fix it in the new model year with the manual. I didn't know the Z engine came from the GTR. EDIT: People are saying it's not? At 5:40 they say the VR made it's debut in the Nissan R35 GTR? IDK
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06-17-2022, 05:36 AM | #3 |
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the Bob Ross section First time in a long time I've literally laughed out loud in a vid.
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06-17-2022, 08:03 AM | #4 |
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Cammisa's videos are always superb.
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06-17-2022, 08:39 AM | #5 |
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Comparing auto to auto the 2023 Z was nearly 3 seconds slower than an auto 3.0 Supra on the same race course. Ouch! The 2023 Z was overhyped and underdelivered but hence the $10k price difference.
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06-17-2022, 08:44 AM | #6 |
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Meh, too campy and i don't get the point of the entire thing???
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06-17-2022, 09:13 AM | #7 | |
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06-17-2022, 09:22 AM | #8 |
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Does it really matter though unless you are lapping seriously and if you are you are likely heavily modding both cars suspension. Numbers are a bit of a red herring, show me grins for dollars, now grins mean different things to different people but you get my drift.
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06-17-2022, 09:32 AM | #9 | |
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The subjective fun factor oftentimes gets overshadowed by objective numbers. I'm glad the video addressed that fact. I'll give any car company props for producing an ICE + manual car. Good for Nissan. The NISMO variant will probably be a better competitor for the Supra. That being said I'd take a manual Supra. |
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06-17-2022, 10:07 AM | #11 |
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$10K in USD means what, here, with taxes, $15K in your pocket? Makes one pause.
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06-17-2022, 10:31 AM | #12 |
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They say it's from the Q50 RS400 right in the video. The video isn't wrong, the other posted just misinterpreted it.
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06-17-2022, 11:14 AM | #15 |
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I am a bit of a pragmatist, on public roads, like really, do you notice the difference between two sporty cars with a three second gap on a 90 second lap? Super unlikely.
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It's more than that You'd notice .93g vs 1.01 g lateral You'd notice 147 vs. 166 ft 70-0 braking Why is it 24 mpg vs 30mpg highway You'd notice the numb steering Just to name a few things |
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It's really not a hard argument to make. Slower cars like the Toybarus are loads of fun because you can wind them out on public roads without exceeding the speed limit (sometimes). Miatas are slow as hell, but one of the most rewarding cars you can drive at any price point. Hell, my 128 is slower than a V6 Camry. Which is more fun to drive?
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the miata IS tell me this Batman......Is there a car enthusiast out there with a slower car who would say no to better brakes? better wheels/tires for improved handling and more herspers for some increased vroom vroom or will they say NO WAY! it'll ruin my fun to drive feels man! |
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06-17-2022, 08:47 PM | #20 |
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Supra is the better car but Z is the better looking car. So there is that…
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Every Tesla is quicker than my GTI, so is a GTR or even a G63. But I wouldn't trade for any of them. My car is fun. Theirs are not. Numbers are for suckers. I'm likely getting a Caterham for a track car. It won't be the fastest thing, but it will be fun and challenging. Mistakes will be my fault, not some computer or awd system. |
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06-17-2022, 09:07 PM | #22 |
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Let's see how much faster the Supra will be with the 6MT. My guess is it will only be marginally quicker/faster than a 6mt Z. We're talking maybe .2 seconds and 1 to 2 mph in the 1/4 mile, if that.
Then add the same Michelins as the Supra and then braking and lateral grip gets way closer too. Even though the Supra will be significantly slower than the auto Supra, most know it will be substantially more fun to drive. It's why I ordered my M235 with a 6MT. |
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