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      09-19-2022, 07:12 PM   #89
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Gas is 0.92 in MA starting this month. I think have to add delivery charges to that, and yeah looks like it's double from last year
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Damn yall practically getting free gas! Having never had propane before and not realizing prices fluctuated I decided to have my 325 gallon tank filled in Feb. They said online you should call when you were at around 30% and I was there so I called. Ended up being like $3.35/gallon. All in with all the taxes and fees and crap it was like $730 for 200ish gallons.

Never realized how expensive this crap was. Although we don't spend the winter here and we have a heat pump so I'm not sure we use much for heating. Just for our water heater, stove and BBQ so I'm hoping it will last a while.
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There is $10k rebate for heat pumps now. And on top of that I have solar panels installed. For $10-12k (parts and labor) I can put 2 shitty Goodman heat pumps, but I was told that's a very bad idea to save money on heat pumps. So my other option is to get something higher quality and obviously pay more. The thing is that I am not sure if in the end I will be saving ton of money. I have brand new 2 year old 2 central ACs, and I have high efficiency boiler that was like 11k installed. Right now I pay zero for electricity (actually I get credits ever month for unused electricity, roughly $50 per month) and last year my gas bill was $270 max.... average $175 per month during heating season (deduct $30-35 for gas stove, grill, and hot water)

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I have high efficiency boiler that was like 11k installed.
I assume you had that boiler installed a few years back? I say that because of our friend inflation. Here's a scary one: my 50+ year old boiler is coming due for replacement. In autumn 2019 I had the replacement quoted by two companies: $12,500 and $14,000 respectively.

Had it re-quoted three weeks ago: $19,000.

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Had it re-quoted three weeks ago: $19,000.
...and that's assuming that they can get one! Ours blew out its core last November, and it took until Christmas Eve for the only contractor in the region with their own inventory (and not buying from wholesale warehouses) to install the replacement.....
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Yep. Inventory was and probably still is an issue. I have a buddy that helped me out with my HVAC replacement. Due to the high cost of doing the entire system, I was planning on just replacing the furnace first and then doing the A/C later when I had the funds. He contacted his supplier and he immediately called me to let me know I'd be better off doing the entire system now. Said I would get a decent discount buying all the equipment upfront and that his supplier said they only have 9 units in stock at the moment. Once those go, they don't know when they'll receive any new stock. So I bit the bullet and did the entire thing.

Felt fortunate for my situation as my buddy let me pay the supplier directly using his contractor's discount. Total for furnace and A/C unit was $3600. He then charged me only $1500 labor to install. The equipment I got is beefier than the old unit. I went from a 75,000 BTU furnace to a 115,000 BTU furnace with a bigger blower. And the A/C unit I went from 3 ton to a 4.5 ton unit. Felt very fortunate to have a friend that could help me out with this in a big way. The system was replaced last year.
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For what it’s worth, the last propane delivery we got for our property in NE Pa was at $2.59.
That's cheap compared to what I'm paying in Delaware. But when I was quote the lock in rate, the utility quoted a higher rate than what was the current market rate. The lock in has an a little bit of padding to ensure they don't lose out too much if the propane market shoots way up during the heating season. In the past, I let my rate float with the market and got killed with my monthly bills. I was seeing monthly propane charges exceeding $100 to sometimes above $160 a month when I was not at my vacation home at all or maybe one or two days that month. When I'm not there, I have the thermostat set to 58 degrees F. And when I'm there, the thermostat is set to 73.
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There is $10k rebate for heat pumps now. And on top of that I have solar panels installed. For $10-12k (parts and labor) I can put 2 shitty Goodman heat pumps, but I was told that's a very bad idea to save money on heat pumps. So my other option is to get something higher quality and obviously pay more. The thing is that I am not sure if in the end I will be saving ton of money. I have brand new 2 year old 2 central ACs, and I have high efficiency boiler that was like 11k installed. Right now I pay zero for electricity (actually I get credits ever month for unused electricity, roughly $50 per month) and last year my gas bill was $270 max.... average $175 per month during heating season (deduct $30-35 for gas stove, grill, and hot water)
Is this a state rebate for you?
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      09-25-2022, 07:15 PM   #97
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I assume you had that boiler installed a few years back? I say that because of our friend inflation. Here's a scary one: my 50+ year old boiler is coming due for replacement. In autumn 2019 I had the replacement quoted by two companies: $12,500 and $14,000 respectively.

Had it re-quoted three weeks ago: $19,000.

Ouch.
That was like 7 years ago by previous owner
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      09-25-2022, 07:17 PM   #98
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Is this a state rebate for you?
Yes. 10k plus 0% interest loan. I forgot how much they give, I think $25k

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Meanwhile in Cali paying 43 cents a KW/hr
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Meanwhile in Cali paying 43 cents a KW/hr
Yeah, and now they're banning new gas water heaters and furnaces from 2030 on. SMDH.

California first state to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces
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Meanwhile in Cali paying 43 cents a KW/hr
Yeah, and now they're banning new gas water heaters and furnaces from 2030 on. SMDH.

California first state to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces
Yeah that will fix things.
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Got this notice with my Con Edison (electric) bill yesterday....

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So what's your ideal temp inside the house in winter? I had mine set to 68 and it was a bit uncomfortable at times, it's at 69 now, same as last year. 66 at night

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So what's your ideal temp inside the house in winter? I had mine set to 68 and it wad a bit uncomfortable at times, it's at 69 now, same as last year. 66 at night
64 at night. The colder it is, the better I sleep. Daytime is 68.
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64 at night. The colder it is, the better I sleep. Daytime is 68.
We are at 73 day and night during cooling season, and we heat to about 68 or 70 if we feel chilly. Of course we dress for those temps so we’re not uncomfortable.

I found out here, with the humidity, that if the house is much cooler than the dew point, we get a lot of condensation on the outside of the windows overnight. (Window coverings closed gives us a bit more cooling range). That dries in the morning, leaving a residue of salt, which has to be rinsed off to see well and to protect from corrosion of window frames, etc. So 73 it is. Our electric bill for Sept (still a hot month here) was $125 total; all electric house except the range (propane, have not needed any in two years).
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Buddy of mine has new but poorly installed gas system, his house is smaller than mine (about 1500-2000 sqft 1 zone), temps are usually 70-72F and his heating bills last year were $500 per month. Mine were about $250-260 for 2500 sqft on 3 zones (with my natural has grill)

Summer I got 74 during day when home and 72 at night. My solar panels generate more than house uses. So electric bill always ends up in $50 credit per month.

I am guessing with dual fuel heat pumps installed, can save another $100 or so on gas bill. I am not sure how much people pay for heat pumps when they operate around 30F and above

I also got new insulation this year in my attic. House stayed noticeable cooler in summer. Not sure how much of an effect it will have in winter
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I keep my house around 73/74 degrees during heating season. Interested to see how the heating bills will be this winter. The unique situation I have is I have three gas fireplaces. One on each level of my house. So I've been operating where I either shut off the central HVAC system or keep it at some minimum maybe around 68. If I'm in the basement, I'll run the gas fireplace there. If I'm in my family room, I'll run the gas fireplace there. If I'm going to bed, I run the gas fireplace in my bedroom. All three gas fireplaces have a thermostatically controlled remote. So I just set the desired temperature and the remote turns on and off the fireplace. The fireplaces also have circulating fans to move air around and push the hot air into the room. Also, my entire HVAC system was just replaced about a year ago. So I should benefit from the efficiency of a newer system.

When my daughter is with me, I'll run the central HVAC system some or use a radiator type space heater in her room.

While my primary home uses natural gas, my vacation home is on propane. The HVAC system installed isn't the standard builder grade crap but a more higher efficiency unit as the house had to meet Energy Star standards. But heating and cooling is a bit of a challenge as the forced air ducts are in the ceiling. No basement or crawl space at this house. I do have a propane fireplace in the family room that does have a thermostatically controlled remote too.
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