Bruce---> Caitlyn Jenner

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Revartr

I'm sure you're on the minority end there, bud. Depending on your geographic location, of course. Most people in this day and age could care less about something as petty and trivial as "Oh god, the person using this bathroom is transgender, what will I ever do with myself?!"

Yeh I think you're wrong. They just won't say it publicly due to society and pressure to accept it.

[Revartr]

Originally Posted by Templar

Is this the same friend you slept with?

I bet that was a shock...

Nooo, haha. The one I slept with I met in high school and have been long-time friends with. I met my transgender friend in college, and she's still enrolled there down in Miami (she was two years behind me). Funny story about that, though.

[Revartr]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yeh I think you're wrong. They just won't say it publicly due to society and pressure to accept it.

Think whatever you want, haha. Don't get me wrong, I can understand people being uncomfortable with that sort of thing. I just don't think it's as prevalent as you let on, at least not with younger generations and in this day and age. But I see your point! Different viewpoints!

[rjd598]

i don't see why so many of you care what he/she wants to do. doesn't and shouldn't alter your life in any way

[808@702]

What is seen can not be unseen...

[dreamingat30fps]

Didn't give a shit about him don't give a shit about her. Lucky for him he's loaded, otherwise he would have to be contempt being a flat chested woman with a schlong.

[ShocknAwe]

I see you uprated posts around the time of my question SugarSkulls, but avoided answering. Just in case you were wondering, it was directed at you.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by deeLow

Fuck that

not for all the money in the world.

[ASBSECU E93]

So - I cannot relate in any way to the decision to undergo transition, because I am completely comfortable in my own skin. What I also keep hearing are words to describe this choice like 'Courage' and 'Strength' and 'Brave'...I'll just leave these here so the words are not confused with this subject:

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I see you uprated posts around the time of my question SugarSkulls, but avoided answering. Just in case you were wondering, it was directed at you.

If you expect an answer from me, then quote me or tag me so you won't think I'm "avoiding" you.

Make your point relevant- because if you're about to say "a woman getting breast implants is the same as gender reassignment" than I won't further entertain your time.

We've already established as to what I was referring to when I used the quote of "playing God" in this specific thread. If you missed it- read the last exchange between the other gentleman and myself.

[bimmette]

Originally Posted by Kyle B

not for all the money in the world.

Really? What about $100 million and no one would ever find out?

[wrickem]

Originally Posted by bimmette

Really? What about $100 million and no one would ever find out?

EVERYBODY has a price for ANYTHING!

[Needbmwpartzz]

Originally Posted by bimmette

Really? What about $100 million and no one would ever find out?

I think many may bend their morality for that one.....then feverishly repent soon after with their whoring-money.....especially if no one found out

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by bimmette

Really? What about $100 million and no one would ever find out?

Originally Posted by wrickem

EVERYBODY has a price for ANYTHING!

My dignity and body parts aren't for sale...

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by Mr.SugarSkulls

If you expect an answer from me, then quote me or tag me so you won't think I'm "avoiding" you.

Make your point relevant- because if you're about to say "a woman getting breast implants is the same as gender reassignment" than I won't further entertain your time.

We've already established as to what I was referring to when I used the quote of "playing God" in this specific thread. If you missed it- read the last exchange between the other gentleman and myself.

If "God" doesn't make mistakes, using modern medicine to help/treat people goes against what "God" naturally had planned for those individuals. It's the same, doesn't matter how you want to twist it.

You said earlier in the post "it's called being born with free will" .. So you want other members to respect your free will, and your beliefs, yet you talk down to another individual who is expressing their own free will, just because it goes against what you believe.

I think people should live their life exactly how they want and shouldn't give a fk about what anyone else thinks.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Mr.SugarSkulls

If you expect an answer from me, then quote me or tag me so you won't think I'm "avoiding" you.

Make your point relevant- because if you're about to say "a woman getting breast implants is the same as gender reassignment" than I won't further entertain your time.

We've already established as to what I was referring to when I used the quote of "playing God" in this specific thread. If you missed it- read the last exchange between the other gentleman and myself.

I can't be bothered to open up the full reply to tag you. Not worth my time. Also, you didn't avoid me, you avoided a question. I draw a distinction there. No personal need for your attention, no offense.

Onward:

Seems you don't understand the difference between gender and sex. Sorry for that. Here, let me help you. You cannot reassign gender. That is psychologically defined and can not be changed. Similar to the sexual preference gradient in a way. Sex is anatomical, primary and secondary characteristics with which we are born or develop through adolescence.

So that said:

How is a woman getting breast implants any different? She is cosmetically altering her body. If surgically converting your sex characteristics from male to female or vice versa is "playing god" then how is altering those same characteristics to be other than that which you were genetically coded for somehow kosher? You aren't allowed to cherry pick. Either you can physically alter for physical identity or you cant. This makes me feel that your stance is in fact religiously motivated, despite your assertions that you are not.

Finally, to clarify, non-essential breast augmentation would be WORSE than sex reassignment if you were to actually feel that way from an ethical standpoint. At least undergoing hormone therapy and operations to change physical characteristics from one sex to another is grounded in GID, rather than wanton desire or consumerism.

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I can't be bothered to open up the full reply to tag you. Not worth my time. Also, you didn't avoid me, you avoided a question. I draw a distinction there. No personal need for your attention, no offense.

Onward:

Seems you don't understand the difference between gender and sex. Sorry for that. Here, let me help you. You cannot reassign gender. That is psychologically defined and can not be changed. Similar to the sexual preference gradient in a way. Sex is anatomical, primary and secondary characteristics with which we are born or develop through adolescence.

So that said:

How is a woman getting breast implants any different? She is cosmetically altering her body. If surgically converting your sex characteristics from male to female or vice versa is "playing god" then how is altering those same characteristics to be other than that which you were genetically coded for somehow kosher? You aren't allowed to cherry pick. Either you can physically alter for physical identity or you cant. This makes me feel that your stance is in fact religiously motivated, despite your assertions that you are not.

Finally, to clarify, non-essential breast augmentation would be WORSE than sex reassignment if you were to actually feel that way from an ethical standpoint. At least undergoing hormone therapy and operations to change physical characteristics from one sex to another is grounded in GID, rather than wanton desire or consumerism.

Well if there's no need for my personal attention why bother wasting all that time when you seem to be the one confused with the medical term of what Bruce Jenner is actually doing?

He's not having sex reassignment. He's having gender reassignment. You aren't taking the time actually look the procedure up. I'm not the one calling it "gender reassignment". That's the medical procedure being taken.

Look it up. Or here I'll help you.


And I never said my assertions weren't from a religious stand point? Where did I ever state that? I'm a proud catholic and while I don't agree with some of their practices- most I do.

Whether or not I agree with this, is beyond me. It's my duty as an imperfect human being to treat others with the upmost respect no matter how much I disagree with their decisions as I'm sure others disagree with mine

But just because those of you who don't have a spiritual guidance in your life feel I'm wrong because of a faith I have- doesn't make you anymore right. Your argument is "I don't believe what I can't see".

If that's the case- then what does that mean in regards to Bruce Jenner? He "felt" he was a woman. But there's no proof of that now is there? So...it's all made up just like my faith in God, right?

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

If "God" doesn't make mistakes, using modern medicine to help/treat people goes against what "God" naturally had planned for those individuals. It's the same, doesn't matter how you want to twist it.

You said earlier in the post "it's called being born with free will" .. So you want other members to respect your free will, and your beliefs, yet you talk down to another individual who is expressing their own free will, just because it goes against what you believe.

I think people should live their life exactly how they want and shouldn't give a fk about what anyone else thinks.

Where in the world did I talk down to anyone??? Where did I ever talk down to or bash someone because they believed this is ok? It's pretty much established that based off my religious beliefs, I don't agree with it- and those who don't relate to God in their daily life are perfectly fine with it.

Just because I think it's wrong DOES NOT make him a bad person. But I don't have to agree, support or applaud this act of "courage" when he should be sitting behind bars for killing an innocent woman.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by Mr.SugarSkulls

Where in the world did I talk down to anyone??? Where did I ever talk down to or bash someone because they believed this is ok? It's pretty much established that based off my religious beliefs, I don't agree with it- and those who don't relate to God in their daily life are perfectly fine with it.

Just because I think it's wrong DOES NOT make him a bad person. But I don't have to agree, support or applaud this act of "courage" when he should be sitting behind bars for killing an innocent woman.

The person I was referring to is Bruce/Caitlyn, not someone in the thread.

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

The person I was referring to is Bruce/Caitlyn, not someone in the thread.

And again, just because I think it's wrong- doesn't make him a bad or evil person for doing what he feels like is right to his body. I'm not condemning him to hell, that's not for me to say.

I simply can't support someone who's being praised for courage when they are in fact a (recent) killer.

[bimmette]

Originally Posted by Mr.SugarSkulls

And again, just because I think it's wrong- doesn't make him a bad or evil person for doing what he feels like is right to his body. I'm not condemning him to hell, that's not for me to say.

I simply can't support someone who's being praised for courage when they are in fact a murderer.

He/she did not murder someone. Murdering someone is done with intent. What he did was an accident and most people don't end up in jail for causing a car accident.

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by bimmette

He/she did not murder someone. Murdering someone is done with intent. What he did was an accident and most people don't end up in jail for causing a car accident.

Oh really? So no ones done time for vehicular manslaughter? It's not a crime? He didn't just "cause a car accident". An innocent woman was KILLED due to his ineptitude.

Want to know why he's not? Because he's a celebrity. That's why. That's the ONLY reason why.

Tell that to an acquaintance of mine who served a year for it.