Bruce---> Caitlyn Jenner

[ShocknAwe]

Ever dated a girl, or known someone with breast implants?

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Mr.SugarSkulls

Well...considering this topic was very specific in regards to Bruce Jenner and his transformation/ I didn't think I needed to elaborate on my definition of "playing God" in this instance. Clearly- I was wrong, but like I've stated- if this were a topic on that specific saying, you'd be 100% correct. (But it's not)

So am I not allowed to raise my thoughts on a forum? I don't recall name calling him, saying he was a terrible individual, hell- ever insulting the man.

Like you said, I am no one to judge him. There are far worse things in this world that deserve the kind of attention this fiasco is receiving.

But it's not wrong for me to voice my opinion that the act of gender reassignment (in this particular case) is wrong to me. Nothing more, nothing less. Agreed?

Yeah I get what you're saying too, something that could potentially save a life or multiple lives isn't the same as a conscious decision to simply change your gender hence why I said there's obviously different degrees of playing God.

But yes we can agree on that. It gets attention because it's a celebrity. No different than the type of media attention major sporting events get, at the end of the day it matters none in the grand scheme of life but hey, it's why we have the option to just ignore the media coverage if it's something we don't care about.

Back to topic.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Not bashing your beliefs, just the inconsistency between what you consider playing God. A doctor keeping someone on life support is playing God all the same.

It's all varying degrees of playing God. Who are you to judge which one is appropriate and which one isn't? He'll have his day when he meets his Maker so what's it to you?

Because playing God for the well being of another person is different than playing God to achieve your own personal motives.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Because playing God for the well being of another person is different than playing God to achieve your own personal motives.

Does God see it that way? That's all I'm saying.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Does God see it that way? That's all I'm saying.

Unable to answer that question.

Regarding my initial statement, we can all agree that Bruce Jenner is motivated by his own personal needs and a doctor is motivated by a moral duty to society.

I am not saying that either can or cannot be motivated financially but I would like to continue to discuss the direct motivation behind playing God.

[P1]

Originally Posted by grieverr

That's the part that really bothers me the most about this whole thing. With Bruce's resources, this could have been done in privacy, with lots of support from friends and family in a nurturing environment. Instead, he decides that this will be a big party and land the cover of whatever-magazine it was.

Any opportunity to have Caitlyn be a role model for the people going through this is completely wasted. I can't wait for the tell-all book and Lifetime movie adaptation.

The Kardashian/Jenner family really make it hard to truly sympathize with them when they go through hard times.

Spot on, well said...

[Needbmwpartzz]

Wait 10 more years then Bruce/Kaitlin changes his mind as he/she admitted to being sexually abused and was addicted to reading trans porn...then joined a trans cult then realized at that point how far gone he/she is and is at point of no return then commits suicide.....dramatic yes.....possible scenario..yes!

[Needbmwpartzz]

He's something to think about;
If someone wanted to die because the felt all there life that they shouldn't live,would you say he's a gun go shoot yourself........I don't think many would immediately say go do it.....I think a little more study into the psyche would be the first step and try to figure out why this individual feels that way or what life events have shaped him/her to turn on themselves.
I think this relates to Bruce's/Caitlyn case because who actually knows the uncountable events that may have formed this individual to do this....but who knows I may be wrong.

[Taskmaster]

Ray J's dick is so powerful - it made this whole family famous and crazy.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Needbmwpartzz

He's something to think about;
If someone wanted to die because the felt all there life that they shouldn't live,would you say he's a gun go shoot yourself........I don't think many would immediately say go do it.....I think a little more study into the psyche would be the first step and try to figure out why this individual feels that way or what life events have shaped him/her to turn on themselves.
I think this relates to Bruce's/Caitlyn case because who actually knows the uncountable events that may have formed this individual to do this....but who knows I may be wrong.

I agree. Just like suicide, publicly going through this process is a very selfish act in my opinion.

[Chrisruf911]

That whole family are such attention whores, I can't help but think that fact contributed to his transformation. That being said, I personally don't give a crap what one does with their own body.

[MiddleAgedAl]

Originally Posted by Chrisruf911

That whole family are such attention whores, I can't help but think that fact contributed to his transformation. That being said, I personally don't give a crap what one does with their own body.

What they choose do to with their wealth is their business, some families spend their millions on charity (ie: Bill & Melinda Gates), and some spend it on maintaining their "cult of celebrity". I guess if you have nothing useful/tangible to offer to the world......

How the whole thing is being covered by the media is a sad commentary on society today. One of the funniest statements I've read so far on the magazine cover is the observation that this situation is the only way in hell that a 60 year old woman had any chance of appearing on the cover of Vanity Fair magazine. Sad but true.

[Revartr]

For all of those saying that this "goes against God" and that she somehow chose this, you have to realize and understand that not everybody believes in any sort of "god", just science and genetics. Not only that, but this is not something that she "chose". You can't just choose how you really feel inside, and she most likely really does feel that she was born in the wrong body, in the wrong form. It's like feeling like you were born with a deformity. If you were born with a deformity, wouldn't you do anything you could to change that and live your life as you feel any normal person should? Not constantly conflicted and feeling like you're trapped?

It's a very difficult concept to explain and something that I'm still not able to completely comprehend. But I at least have an understanding of it, which is partly thanks to a very good friend of mine who transitioned in her early teens. I didn't know her beforehand and only met her in college, but whenever I found out, she explained it to me as best she could. It's an incredibly difficult thing to go through, and it really does take a lot of guts and determination to go through something like that. And I fully support anybody who is willing to go through so much so that they can be who they feel they truly were supposed to be.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Ray J's dick is so powerful - it made this whole family famous and crazy.

I almost spat out my lunch when I read this.

[Billup]

Stop calling him a she for fucks sake.

[grieverr]

Originally Posted by Revartr

It's an incredibly difficult thing to go through, and it really does take a lot of guts and determination to go through something like that.

Did your friend publicize and monetize her transformation?

I take no issue in Bruce becoming Caitlyn. I do question the sincerity and manner in which it was done, at a time where this is a hot button topic. I assume there are many people thinking about making this change, and now Caitlyn is all they have to look up to.

[Needbmwpartzz]

Originally Posted by Billup

Stop calling him a she for fucks sake.

Lol.

[kmarei]

question
if he's always felt like a woman trapped in a mans body
why did he compete ass a man in the Olympics?

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by grieverr

Did your friend publicize and monetize her transformation?

I take no issue in Bruce becoming Caitlyn. I do question the sincerity and manner in which it was done, at a time where this is a hot button topic. I assume there are many people thinking about making this change, and now Caitlyn is all they have to look up to.

Versus no one before.

They're all attention whores we get it, but I highly doubt he became a woman because he found it a good opportunity to get money and attention...there's far less...intrusive and extreme ways to get money and attention.

[Revartr]

Originally Posted by grieverr

Did your friend publicize and monetize her transformation?

I take no issue in Bruce becoming Caitlyn. I do question the sincerity and manner in which it was done, at a time where this is a hot button topic. I assume there are many people thinking about making this change, and now Caitlyn is all they have to look up to.

No, she didn't. But she wasn't super secretive about it either, as she figured that would've made it look like she was ashamed or embarrassed, and it would've just brought on more bullying and ridicule, as this was in her very early teens when she started.

I agree about Caitlyn, to an extent, but I also sort of feel like it's possible that there wasn't really a better way to go about doing it. If she decided to be super secretive about it, paparazi would've found out anyways and blown it up regardless. Then it would just look like she was ashamed, which isn't a good message for those who are also going through similar situations. I don't agree with monetizing on this, but I feel like being proud about who you are and showing that sends a good message to others and shows that there is a lot of support for people going through similar situations.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by kmarei

question
if he's always felt like a woman trapped in a mans body
why did he compete ass a man in the Olympics?

Is this a serious question?

[MiddleAgedAl]

Originally Posted by kmarei

question
if he's always felt like a woman trapped in a mans body
why did he compete ass a man in the Olympics?

He knew at the time that the only way that someone with that many male hormones, and that masculine a physique, could possibly fly under the radar would be to compete in women's tennis. So, for his sport, he had to enter as a male.