[3Series06]

well I was bored and my friend was telling me about the 2007 g35 ANd I was curious so I went to there site and I found this insulting introduction on the G35 website dissing how they have more horsepower and how they marked BMW's Bench. SO sad how these Companies would do this kind of thing means that they are scared of the 330i taking there market well this is my first post hope it isnt a bad one
well here's the link if u guys are lazy
http://www.infiniti.com/content/0,,c...-12001,00.html

[Gnosis]

Yes - the G35 is nice. Excellent value for money.

But if you drive a 330i manual with sport package then you'll understand why people are willing to pay a premium. It's just soooo honed and nice to drive fast.

But if you drive a 325i auto without the sport package.... hmmm... you might wanna give that G35 a look....

[YYdoodle]

Excellent first post... I always enjoy the G35 vs. 3 series debate!

[3Series06]

I personally loved the 06 3 series but G35 is nice car but it's not ethical that they would do that on there website. they should be more honorable and it makes me not wanna even think of the G35 because of this matter.

[jiggax23]

has there been any test (road test or personal test) on the e90 vs the 298hp g35? i honestly don't know who would win, but i kno the 260hp g35 is no match, as i've already personally tested that one myself, and it wasnt even close. i tried messing w/ the newer g35's the other day, but the guy didnt wanna try, he slowed down and let me pass as soon as i pulled up to him.

[a burrito]

damn, that this is pretty harsh though. lets see inifiniti try to take 255 hp from a 3.0 liter, then lets hear them talk. any company can grab a 3.5 liter and easily pull 298 hp out of it.....

[Mark]

I personally love it when other companies attack BMW. it just shows they have a chip on their shoulder and they are pretty much aknowledging BMW is the best. Thats why they are trying to prove they are better. Too bad they all fail so far

If they were serious about producing a superior car, they would try to beat us on the racetrack, beat us in subjective magazine articles. Until then, they are just another brand trying to sell a product, not a real auto manufacturer, in my book.

[romeo26]

oh ya...whens the 335 commin out? that will deffinitly wip the g35. but i think i would rather take a 325i then an infinity.

checked out the link
when you go to compair its funny seeing the 325 and is300 there, even though the 325 is probally a better drivers car even with almost a 100hp diffrence!!

[Mark]

BTW, horsepower numbers mean nothing, since alot of them are inflated (espcialy from the japanese manufaturers--notably nissan, not honda). an e46 330i with its 235hp will take on a G35 with its ~270hp.

German cars always give conservative numbers, and the numbers are all at the crank anyways. BMWs have especialy efficient drivetrains, so our RWHP is much higher then you would think. In the real world, the older engine G35 is about equal or slower then a e46-330i.

Its yet to be seen what the new 330i would be like in real life, but most likely equal to or faster then the 280-295hp infiniti. Hope some more real world stories start popping up soon like jiggax said, its no match, which makes sense

after all, my freekin e46-325i (2.5l) was even with the almighty G35 on a 40-110mph run. pathetic on infinitis part for a car with like 60 more hp then mine on paper.

[Athos]

The horsepower war. There is so much more to a car than specifications. It's not that specs are irrelevant, but they fail to capture what it's really like to drive a car. I've driven cars and bikes that had better specs but offered an inferior driving experience. Thank God that most interesting things can't be reduced to a spec sheet. If horsepower is what matters most, buy a Pontiac GTO.

I've driven the G35 and I very much prefer the feel of the E90. After driving both, the difference in handling, dynamics, and refinement are so clear to me that I wouldn't consider the G35 after driving both. However, it's fine with me if someone else loves the G35. It's fine with me if the G35 is faster on a dragstrip, etc. They should buy the G35. If having a fantastic spec sheet makes them feel better, well I suppose that's an innocent pleasure.

[icedragon]

I still prefer a BMW over a Nissan with leather.

[YYimports]

I've never owned both before the E90, so I have no old school allegience to either BMW or Nissan. I've test drove both the G35 and E90 and all I can say is that the E90 just posseses a certain dynamic which can't be explained really, but which the G35 doesn't have. The car as a whole of its various components just works... it just feels RIGHT. The G35 VQ's engine is strong and torquey, but the car just doesn't have the feel of the E90. It's this intangible element which made my decision easy.

As for the infiniti website saying they have matched BMW's bench.... no they have not. G35 is a great car and on is a good package for its price, but they've got a ways to go before matching the 3 series.

[F30Toad]

It appears that the G35 vs. 330i link just got taken down. I tried to click on it several times and it would not come up. Then just moments ago it disappeared completely.

Edit: Well the link is back but it still doesn't work for me.

[wannabe]

Originally Posted by a burrito

damn, that this is pretty harsh though. lets see inifiniti try to take 255 hp from a 3.0 liter, then lets hear them talk. any company can grab a 3.5 liter and easily pull 298 hp out of it.....

Your argument is actually towards Infiniti on this one. To really compare the two engines, you have to consider horsepower per liter of displacement. So:

G35 = 298 hp / 3.5 liters = 85.14 hp/liter
e90 = 255 hp / 3.0 liters = 85 hp/liter

The G35 gets a little more horsepower per liter...which means if they did build a 3.0 liter engine...they could get:

85.14 x 3.0 = 255.42 hp.

Math, it works!!!!

[ward]

now if the infiniti just maybe had a different steering wheel than a 14,000 dollar altima. I don't believe that infiniti motor actually gets different performance, why's the 260 hp version just as quick as the 287 hp 350Z, why's the 300 hp 350Z anniversary slower than the 287 hp standard version? I would bet money the 260 hp motor is the same stupid thing as the 298hp version, PLUS the automatic version only has 280 hp WTF is that about?

I think infiniti shares way too many parts with nissan, dealer experience is way too close to a standard make like ford, chevy, honda

it may be a nice car but it's not competition to a BMW

[romeo26]

well its close to a bmw but it will take a while to get to the status of bmw than a longer wait to surpass the bmw status(thats if bmw just stops improving but knowing BMW they will keep on rising the benchmark) the g35 can be compaired to the merc c class or 325, but not to the 330.

[wannabe]

Originally Posted by ward

now if the infiniti just maybe had a different steering wheel than a 14,000 dollar altima. I don't believe that infiniti motor actually gets different performance, why's the 260 hp version just as quick as the 287 hp 350Z, why's the 300 hp 350Z anniversary slower than the 287 hp standard version? I would bet money the 260 hp motor is the same stupid thing as the 298hp version, PLUS the automatic version only has 280 hp WTF is that about?

I don't think infiniti shares way too many parts with nissan, dealer experience is way too close to a standard make like ford, chevy, honda

it may be a nice car but it's not competition to a BMW

First of all, where are you getting your info from? How do you know the 350Z anniversary is slower than the standard version? Has it been published somewhere? Have you even been to an Infiniti dealership?

BMW shares it's parts with it's lower priced models too. BMW just doesn't bring those cars over here to keep the "status" that it has. Look at the 320d and 320i...you're telling me the 330i doesn't share any parts with those lower-priced Euro models? You don't even know about the 1-series do you? Nevermind the fact that you can spend $30K on a 325 and not even get leather...how cheap is that? And you're complaining about the steering wheel!

The automatic gets a lower horsepower rating because Infiniti wants to reward their manual transmission owners with a little more juice than the automatic drivers. They WANT you to drive the manual transmission.

Performance is not all about horsepower...weight is just as important. There could be more ammenities in the 350Z Anniversary model...say sunroof, bigger wheels, and stereo system that would add to the weight. The standard car has less mass to move.

This is the same for a BMW that is loaded vs. a standard car that has nothing in it. If you are going to compare performance, make sure you use power/weight ratio instead of horsepower numbers.

If you think about it, BMW is almost going to extremes to save weight. Removing the spare tire by having run-flats, hollowing out the camshafts in the engine, using lighter weight alloys for the block.

The Infiniti motor is the same, they just re-tuned it to get higher horsepower number...sounds familiar right? Yeah, that's right...the only difference between the 325 and 330 is the intake and engine software. BMW does the same thing...but they make it worse by not keeping to their naming convention.

The G35 is competition to BMW. Believe me, they are taking the G very seriously. Motor Trend names the G35 car of the year for 2004. Car and Driver placed it first, while BMW was second in a luxury sedan shoot-out.

Competition is good. It keeps car makers on their toes. Don't become too brand loyal or else you'll miss all the other great cars being made.

[Armen52]

Originally Posted by wannabe

The automatic gets a lower horsepower rating because Infiniti wants to reward their manual transmission owners with a little more juice than the automatic drivers. They WANT you to drive the manual transmission.

Actually, odds are good that this is not some arbitrary award but because the torque converter on the automatic car sucks up the extra 18hp.

Originally Posted by wannabe

If you think about it, BMW is almost going to extremes to save weight. Removing the spare tire by having run-flats, hollowing out the camshafts in the engine, using lighter weight alloys for the block.

Although overall weight savings are also a concern, the top reason why a lot of those weight-saving decisions were made is to maintain the coveted 50/50 front/rear weight balance on the 3 Series. That's why the front suspension componentry is aluminum (lighter) while the rear ones are steel. Yeah, they really did go to great lengths to maintain it.

Originally Posted by wannabe

BMW does the same thing...but they make it worse by not keeping to their naming convention.

The convention was decided by BMW and it can be changed by BMW. What's the big deal? Its a convention, not a law or an agreement with the public that the model #'s represent displacement, it just happened to be the case some time ago. Don't know why people are still hung up on this. They are not hiding the displacement of the cars by any means.

Originally Posted by wannabe

The G35 is competition to BMW. Competition is good. It keeps car makers on their toes.

No doubt about any of that. It will keep pushing BMW (and others) to improve. Its why we have this horsepower war on our hands in the first place.

The whole title to this thread is misleading. What Infiniti is doing is called smart (although maybe a tiny bit misleading) marketing. But then, who said marketing was ever not misleading at least a little bit? Isn't that almost the point of it at this stage? Either way, its the state of affairs now.

[wannabe]

Originally Posted by Armen52

Actually, odds are good that this is not some arbitrary award but because the torque converter on the automatic car sucks up the extra 18hp.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the horsepower numbers are at the flywheel before the transmission. Why would the torque converter even be in the equation?

Originally Posted by Armen52

The convention was decided by BMW and it can be changed by BMW. What's the big deal? Its a convention, not a law or an agreement with the public that the model #'s represent displacement, it just happened to be the case some time ago. Don't know why people are still hung up on this. They are not hiding the displacement of the cars by any means.

You're telling me that the convention that BMW started, which is model number followed by the engine displacement can be broken at any time. Then why didn't BMW just change it. Why keep the same naming convention if it doesn't mean anything anymore? Why have '25' or '30' after the 3 if it doesn't denote displacement? If they are going to break convention...why do it half-assed?

[Armen52]

You're right regarding the auto's numbers and the torque converter. Perhaps they have downrated it as a result of that drivetrain loss anyway? Either way.

[CorporalCarrot]

Could someone just explain for a European what Acura/Infiniti are?

I'm in the states about 4 times a year and notice a lot of those cars. I was in NY last week and noticed an Acura that looked suspiciously like what we in Europe would call a Honda Accord.

Do I deduce correctly therefore that;

Acura = Honda's "Lexus"

Infiniti = Nissan's "Lexus"

??


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[ldpantoja]

I think that the Honda Accord in Germany is the Acura TL in the states or something like it. I noticed it a while back.