F1 2022: Spanish GP - Barcelona (May 22)

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by F87source

Maybe they really believe they still have hope, idk. I think merc will be able to compete for wins this season now that they solved the w13. But they won't be competing for the championships.

On board still shows quite a bit of bouncing on the straights. You can actually hear the bouncing.

[Killed by Death]

///M Power-Belgium Bro, congrats but your boy VER is killing me

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

On board still shows quite a bit of bouncing on the straights. You can actually hear the bouncing.

It's the same on the Ferrari too.

But the important part is it's no longer costing them performance (well it's still a bit costly in some corners), and the intensity is much less than before. I'm sure it'll get better as they refine the floor some more.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by F87source

It's the same on the Ferrari too.

But the important part is it's no longer costing them performance (well it's still a bit costly in some corners), and the intensity is much less than before. I'm sure it'll get better as they refine the floor some more.

Agreed. All teams are still dealing with porpoising, some are just porpoising worse than others.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

///M Power-Belgium Bro, congrats but your boy VER is killing me

I think the DNF for LEC is more of a one time only.
The ferrari PU is pretty reliable, they have 6 cars out there and their PU's don't die by the dozen so I don't think there are major structural problems.

Chances are the ferrari's will be very quick in monaco. Lots of slow corners.
My guess it'll be
1. lec
2. ver
3. sai
4. per
5. rus
6. nor
7. ham
8. bot
9. alo
10. kmag

If all of them finish of course. In Monaco that's a big IF...

[F87source]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think the DNF for LEC is more of a one time only.
The ferrari PU is pretty reliable, they have 6 cars out there and their PU's don't die by the dozen so I don't think there are major structural problems.

Chances are the ferrari's will be very quick in monaco. Lots of slow corners.
My guess it'll be
1. lec
2. ver
3. sai
4. per
5. rus
6. nor
7. ham
8. bot
9. alo
10. kmag

If all of them finish of course. In Monaco that's a big IF...

You're ranking Sainz too high imo, and the Mercedes has improved alot. I'll probably make a prediction this time and it's quite similar to yours (unless tte Monaco curse returns and Charles DNF's):

1. lec
2. ver
3. Per
4. Rus
5. Ham
6. Sainz
7. Nor
8. bot
9. alo
10. kmag

We saw today Lewis had near redbull level race pace (I believe it was even better than George's pace) and sainz was nowhere near a match for Lewis in the w13, the only thing that held him back was fuel and over heating.

Norris shouldn't even be up that high, the w13 is far clear of the mid field now. I'm tempted to put the two Mercedes above Perez but he's doing very well this season and the redbull's are solid.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by F87source

You're ranking Sainz too high imo,

You want to be proven wrong a 2nd time?

Lets see what it'll be next sunday. I think the ferrari's will be quick on the monaco street circuit, I think it will suit the car. I only rate Max higher than SAI because he's such a good driver and RB's strategy is the best.

Predictions are predictions, anything can happen.

That your top 10 has exactly the same drivers as my top10 has, says a lot

For this race I had:

predicted - actual
1. VER - VER
2. PER - PER
3. LEC - RUS
4. SAI - SAI
5. RUS - HAM
6. BOT - BOT
7. NOR - OCO
8. HAM - NOR
9. GAS - ALO
10. ALB - TSU

top10 drivers: 7/10
top10 actual places: 4/10

[Bubbles]

According to the FIA, Red Bull struggled with low fuel temperatures. The limit is 10C below the outside temperature, Red Bull fuel was 25C degrees below and only reached the required value shortly before leaving the pits. In Miami, the fuel temp limit was fixed limit of 18C. But apparently Ferrari vetoed this limit because the Mercs and Honda PU are said to not tolerate the warm fuel as well as the engines from Maranello.

The teams do not agree on when it is illegal to use fuel that is too cool. The rules say: "When the car is in use". So when the car is used. Aston believes this moment with stepping out of the garage. Ferrari sees the fact that the car is being used as soon as the engines are started.

Max’s DRS was a new prototype that weighed less than Checo’s. It failed.

Russell was moving a bit in the braking zone on both Checo and Max. This will likely be less tolerated in the future.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Max’s DRS was a new prototype

ouch...

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Yep, Ferrari is back to being Ferrari

It was only a matter of time. Usually it is a pit stop issue or wrong strategy call. Some how they always eventually F up.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

You want to be proven wrong a 2nd time?

Lets see what it'll be next sunday. I think the ferrari's will be quick on the monaco street circuit, I think it will suit the car. I only rate Max higher than SAI because he's such a good driver and RB's strategy is the best.

Predictions are predictions, anything can happen.

That your top 10 has exactly the same drivers as my top10 has, says a lot

For this race I had:

predicted - actual
1. VER - VER
2. PER - PER
3. LEC - RUS
4. SAI - SAI
5. RUS - HAM
6. BOT - BOT
7. NOR - OCO
8. HAM - NOR
9. GAS - ALO
10. ALB - TSU

top10 drivers: 7/10
top10 actual places: 4/10

Well for the top 10, 60% of then are essentially guaranteed so it's not that special of a guess.

[M5Rick]

Crumbs.. Monaco will be here like tomorrow and the 1 car's DRS has to be sorted or it's back to the original one which would be prudent.
So will Merc replace both PU's again because of any potential overheating damage and what's going to happen with Lec's..just a new turbo or another PU?
Sainz is getting stick but at least he bagged a few more points by keeping going and edging out HAM's failing jalopy, real shame Val couldn't quite catch up and nab those 10 points for Alfa.
I can possibly see some grid drops in the making at the rich man's haven.

[F87source]

Here is the barcelona speed trap that was available on f1i:




It looks like with the new pu the mercedes is alot faster than before. I am not sure if Hamilton got a tow or something because he was alot faster than George. It could also be setup.

[M5Rick]

Predicts for Monaco
Max
Checo
Fernie
Sai
Russ
Ham
Lec
Monaco always a coin throw in a way but if Fernie's Laguna works as it should then you know he won't let anybody past.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by F87source

so it's not that special of a guess.

I'm not saying it is


However critisizing someones guess where you've never guessed yourself.....meh.

[M5Rick]

Just read Ferrari haven't a clue what the exact cause is for the 16 cars power loss so they are completely stripping down the unit to identify the cause.. they haven't long before the next race.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

///M Power-Belgium Bro, congrats but your boy VER is killing me

Thank you my friend . I really appreciate your kind words !

Honestly . Too bad for Ferrari . Wanted to see a fight with Charlie in the front .
But as you know : MAX got also 2 DNF .
Ferrari has to figure it out ASAP . Think they pushed the PU power over the top.

Up to 'Monaco ...Hope Charlie can stay out of the wall there !

One thing is for sure : This season Isn't over yet ...

Can't wait ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Here is the barcelona speed trap that was available on f1i:




It looks like with the new pu the mercedes is alot faster than before. I am not sure if Hamilton got a tow or something because he was alot faster than George. It could also be setup.

Yeah . That's what Wolff said as well : HAM had the fastest car of the race .

IMHO . IDK .

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . That's what Wolff said as well : HAM had the fastest car of the race .

IMHO . IDK .

That 13 motor encapsulated in the skin tight body and the rear body sag skimming the ground is overheating their engines in 32C + temps well into the race, there's no room for the heat to dissipate. I'm guessing they'll have to make more vents and raise the body bringing back more of the porpoising.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by F87source

Here is the barcelona speed trap that was available on f1i:




It looks like with the new pu the mercedes is alot faster than before. I am not sure if Hamilton got a tow or something because he was alot faster than George. It could also be setup.

Good news for Mercedes. If their heating issue was really a result of a loose water hose instead of the PU being overworked, it could be another thing Mercedes has checked off in terms of development progress on the W13. They could really then focus on setup and we get a 3-team fight this year.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Good news for Mercedes. If their heating issue was really a result of a loose water hose instead of the PU being overworked, it could be another thing Mercedes has checked off in terms of development progress on the W13. They could really then focus on setup and we get a 3-team fight this year.

A loose water hose? Damn that could be bad news if the coolant all leaked out, warped heads, damage cylinders etc.

But I am not sure how accurate these results are, because: Lewis is so much faster than George (if it is setup causing the difference than maybe merc did get faster, but if it was because of a tow then not so much - likely not this because the tow is alot weaker this year), and we don't know if the others are suffering from engine deg - but ferrari was running a new engine on charles's car so there is some signs merc is faster than ferrari.

It might also be due to a more efficent aero package they released, since Williams have always been near the top all year long in terms of trap speed. So I'm thinking it could be a more efficent aero package vs. some huge gain in power.

[yco]

lol guys Mercs are looking 15kmh faster on the straights than Red Bull on the straight every lap?
its clearly a perfect timed overtake top speed..

Felt bad about Leclerc that he gifted Max a race win.. FIA gifted a championship last year also so Max is having having more than christmas still.. Perez didnt like gifting a race win to Max.. that was the first rebel move from Perez since he joined..

at least there are some hope in Merc cars now.. it looks a bit edgy but at least it looks more drivable now.. and proud of Russell that he defensed perfectly and Russell's reactive overtake was superb!