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      05-10-2019, 09:09 AM   #89
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I blame the schools. I didn't know it until I went into the Army.

I wasnt trying to be rude in my previous post I just want people to know the truth about their rights, regardless of political affiliation
Completely agree. I think I had one class in highschool that touched on the constitution. But, sadly, I've been out of school for nearly 25 years so any knowledge gaps on the subject are strictly a matter of my own laziness in not seeking the information out and self-educating.

Didn't take your post as rude at all. You put your life on the line serving our country, so yeah, I get it. It's got to be frustrating as hell to put it all out there to protect what so many take for granted. Thank you for doing that for the rest of us who elected not to serve.
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I simply don't see a solution to the continually widening wage gap problem.
I started a thread a week ago asking whether and if so, why income inequality (the wage gap) is a problem. I see it stated as a given quite often, but havenít seen any argument nor evidence for why it is a problem.

I have seem some link this to political power or influence, but it seems the solutions to that are more direct and donít need to involve ďmanagingĒ incomes.
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Does the rich controlling you make you "freer"?
Does the possibility of having cancer or any medical issue that can cripple you financially make you "freer"?

There are people who are richer than I am and I donít feel they control me, certainly not directly and really even indirectly.

I know plenty of people poorer than I, some with really nothing at all, who also are in complete control of themselves and their world.

People, being social animals, seem to self-organize into structured groups with leaders, powerful, influencers, and followers. If incomes are equal, we still do this, and it can be seen in countries like Cuba and Venezuela or in Appalachia here in America as well as Wall Street and Washington D.C.

Of course you can choose to let others control you, or to follow instead of lead. I donít.
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      05-10-2019, 11:25 AM   #92
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Does the rich controlling you make you "freer"?
Does the possibility of having cancer or any medical issue that can cripple you financially make you "freer"?

Have you considered Canada?
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      05-10-2019, 11:28 AM   #93
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      05-10-2019, 11:34 AM   #94
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      05-10-2019, 11:40 AM   #95
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"Name one left wing Democrat objective that, if implemented, would allow you to earn and keep more money and/or that would make you freer?"

Well I can think of many policies. We can begin with gun control.

Guns kill, injury, mame and destroy people. Therefore, having gun control people (me) would be free to live longer, hence making more money. If I am alive I can keep more money I make.

That's an easy one.
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      05-10-2019, 11:52 AM   #96
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Except flawed, your taking away rights and saying it creates freedom. Yes freedom to be a victim. Your adding 2+2 and getting negative 87 on purpose.

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"Name one left wing Democrat objective that, if implemented, would allow you to earn and keep more money and/or that would make you freer?"

Well I can think of many policies. We can begin with gun control.

Guns kill, injury, mame and destroy people. Therefore, having gun control people (me) would be free to live longer, hence making more money. If I am alive I can keep more money I make.

That's an easy one.
Putting aside the fact that the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental civil liberty explicitly protected by the Constitution, and that freedom is not free (but it’s worth the risk), this is factully incorrect. Gun control laws operate to disarm the law abiding, not the criminals. The states with the strictest controls see no improvement in gun crime. Moreover, right to carry has been shown to actually reduce gun crime. Bad guys with guns do hurt and kill people, but good guys with guns save lives every day.
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Putting aside the fact that the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental civil liberty explicitly protected by the Constitution, and that freedom is not free (but itís worth the risk), this is factully incorrect. Gun control laws operate to disarm the law abiding, not the criminals. The states with the strictest controls see no improvement in gun crime. Moreover, right to carry has been shown to actually reduce gun crime. Bad guys with guns do hurt and kill people, but good guys with guns save lives every day.
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"Name one left wing Democrat objective that, if implemented, would allow you to earn and keep more money and/or that would make you freer?"

Well I can think of many policies. We can begin with gun control.

Guns kill, injury, mame and destroy people. Therefore, having gun control people (me) would be free to live longer, hence making more money. If I am alive I can keep more money I make.

That's an easy one.
I'm glad you live in Canada.
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Be more profitable for individual to do their own. Those who arent smart enough to do so can be sent to Canada as illegals ?

I don't disagree about individuals doing their own, however the government feels it necessary to look out for its people. If we ever do see some sort of social security reform, maybe it could become some sort of opt-in or opt-out program for those who want it or not.
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Which is exactly why I tell my portfolio manager to ignore it from all calculations. Proceed as if it does not exist and will not exist in 20 years when I retire. Build me an investment strategy that achieves my goals without it. That way it'll be a nice surprise if it's still there in 20 years, and wont make a bit of difference to my retirement if it's not.
I absolutely agree. I should have stated that I expect to withdraw from it as bonus income in addition to my other retirement income, and I don't plan to rely on that bonus income if that expectation doesn't come to fruition.
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"Name one left wing Democrat objective that, if implemented, would allow you to earn and keep more money and/or that would make you freer?"

Well I can think of many policies. We can begin with gun control.

Guns kill, injury, mame and destroy people. Therefore, having gun control people (me) would be free to live longer, hence making more money. If I am alive I can keep more money I make.

That's an easy one.
I have an FN Five Seven not 3 feet from my head every night and do you know it hasnít killed or maimed me yet. I guess Iím lucky. My GF who has pretty bad anxiety sometimes feels safer knowing that we are protected in the moment better than without it. So itís worth it to me. I see the argument for gun control but I also see the reality of our world (U.S.). Gun control may work (debatable) in other countries but I just do not believe that I can work here. This is a mental problem in this country not a gun problem.
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      05-10-2019, 03:40 PM   #103
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Putting aside the fact that the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental civil liberty explicitly protected by the Constitution, and that freedom is not free (but itís worth the risk), this is factully incorrect. Gun control laws operate to disarm the law abiding, not the criminals. The states with the strictest controls see no improvement in gun crime. Moreover, right to carry has been shown to actually reduce gun crime. Bad guys with guns do hurt and kill people, but good guys with guns save lives every day.
Just a meme but the point is pretty much valid.

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Sensible gun control is desperately needed in this country. Saying that guns don't walk out the door and mass murder is just idiotic. Your pick up trucks don't drive themselves and commit mass murder but we regulate vehicles. Oh wait......maybe we just need to deport Elon Musk...

NRA uses scare tactics on the deplorable saying Obama and Hilary coming to take guns away actually works. Bigly sad.
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Sensible gun control is desperately needed in this country. Saying that guns don't walk out the door and mass murder is just idiotic. Your pick up trucks don't drive themselves and commit mass murder but we regulate vehicles. Oh wait......maybe we just need to deport Elon Musk...

NRA uses scare tactics on the deplorable saying Obama and Hilary coming to take guns away actually works. Bigly sad.
Guns are regulated currently

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Sensible gun control is desperately needed in this country. Saying that guns don't walk out the door and mass murder is just idiotic. Your pick up trucks don't drive themselves and commit mass murder but we regulate vehicles. Oh wait......maybe we just need to deport Elon Musk...

NRA uses scare tactics on the deplorable saying Obama and Hilary coming to take guns away actually works. Bigly sad.
What do you consider to be "sensible gun control?"
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Yep, 30% of $750K - $225K. Now that's a lot to pay in taxes.

20% of $50K - $10K. Inarguably an astronomically lower total tax burden in dollars.

However, the taxpayer that has $525K after taxes will have a lot fewer concerns about keeping the lights turned on and shoes on the kids' feet compared to the taxpayer that has $40K after taxes.

This is the main reason it's disingenuous, IMO, to discuss who pays what total percentage of tax revenue collected by .gov. The wage gap is widening, by all measures, which only serves to exacerbate the problem.
Now start adding in rent, transportation and day care to the 40k that is left over after taxes. It eats that up pretty quickly. And people wonder why the majority in this situation think the the top 10% wage earners/Repubs are heartless whether true or not. Arguments about the unfairness of taxes and the policies they enact etc that are being espoused by Repubs really don't help dispel that notion.

I agree the wage gap is widening and the rich are keeping more and more of their money. Historically taxes on this group are the lowest they've ever been. Why a large group of Republicans/top wage earners want to see the US become more like Brazil/India is mind boggling to me. This is where we are (US) heading if we don't figure out how to control this wage gap problem.
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OK, so to be fair, you kinda came out swinging right out of the gate:

There are certainly people on this forum who make it their mission to berate and "win" at all costs. But your assessment of the OP is offbase.
Also to be fair, I really don't think he was trying to insult the OP. I truly think he was just looking at peoples worldview and why they think the way they do.

For instance, if you grow up in the southern US you are most likely to be Christian. If you grow up in Europe Atheist and the ME Muslim etc etc.

A large part of the partisan Republican base views Dems as freeloaders and a large part of the partisan Dems view the Repubs as evil rich white guys based on upbringing/worldview.
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What do you consider to be "sensible gun control?"
How about not allowing my crazy uncle to get.a gun from random gun show in AZ?
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