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      05-04-2019, 05:46 PM   #23
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Well the discussion at hand is one of income inequality, meaning these folks have jobs and an income. It's not a matter of employed vs. unemployed.
Gotta have income to have income inequality. It's about opportunity. Flipping burgers will never be a living wage no matter how many laws are passed to raise minimum wage. Flipping burgers and attending school, however, can lead to higher wages and provide an escape from the bottom rungs of the income ladder. It depends on how bad you want it, how hard you are willing to work.
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Gotta have income to have income inequality. It's about opportunity. Flipping burgers will never be a living wage no matter how many laws are passed to raise minimum wage. Flipping burgers and attending school, however, can lead to higher wages and provide an escape from the bottom rungs of the income ladder. It depends on how bad you want it, how hard you are willing to work.
it is $15/hr MIN here in San Jose
with a spouse making the same in the same job field
You can expect to make 80x$15/week=$1200
You can also each get another pt job that pays MIN for ~20hrs/weekx$15
that is an additional $300/week per person
$600+$1200=$1800/weekx4=$7200/Month that is $86,400 a year on a 60 Hr work week
That will get you a pretty decent living wage IMHO if you are smart with your money
We made do with a LOT less with a family of 4 when I was growing up
MIN wage is doable when you don't spend $1000 on iPhones, and lottery and beer
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it is $15/hr MIN here in San Jose
with a spouse making the same in the same job field
You can expect to make 80x$15/week=$1200
You can also each get another pt job that pays MIN for ~20hrs/weekx$15
that is an additional $300/week per person
$600+$1200=$1800/weekx4=$7200/Month that is $86,400 a year on a 60 Hr work week
That will get you a pretty decent living wage IMHO if you are smart with your money
We made do with a LOT less with a family of 4 when I was growing up
MIN wage is doable when you don't spend $1000 on iPhones, and lottery and beer
Points for last part
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it is $15/hr MIN here in San Jose
with a spouse making the same in the same job field
You can expect to make 80x$15/week=$1200
You can also each get another pt job that pays MIN for ~20hrs/weekx$15
that is an additional $300/week per person
$600+$1200=$1800/weekx4=$7200/Month that is $86,400 a year on a 60 Hr work week
That will get you a pretty decent living wage IMHO if you are smart with your money
We made do with a LOT less with a family of 4 when I was growing up
MIN wage is doable when you don't spend $1000 on iPhones, and lottery and beer
No Offense, but having lived in Silicon Valley if you make 85K a year you are living in squalor. Palo Alto passed a city ordinance that says if you earn less than 250K p/year you qualify for subsidized housing. I make over 1M a year and still didn't feel wealthy in the bay area.

The issue with income inequality, as most here have stated, is that most [younger] people feel entitled; feel as if wealth, status, should be handed to them. I feel it's a narrative that the Democrats have propagated over the last 5 years to drive their socialism agenda.

When I was 14 I came home from school one day and asked my Dad if I could go on the school ski trip; he said sure. I then asked him for the $200.00 and he then said "no, what are you going to do to earn it". I got a job at 14 washing dishes and have worked my ass off ever since. I never asked for a handout, earn everything I have, paid my way though college.

I have no empathy for people who use income inequality as a crutch. If you want something more, better; get off your ass and work to earn it - you'll enjoy it so much more.
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No Offense, but having lived in Silicon Valley if you make 85K a year you are living in squalor. Palo Alto passed a city ordinance that says if you earn less than 250K p/year you qualify for subsidized housing. I make over 1M a year and still didn't feel wealthy in the bay area.

The issue with income inequality, as most here have stated, is that most [younger] people feel entitled; feel as if wealth, status, should be handed to them. I feel it's a narrative that the Democrats have propagated over the last 5 years to drive their socialism agenda.

When I was 14 I came home from school one day and asked my Dad if I could go on the school ski trip; he said sure. I then asked him for the $200.00 and he then said "no, what are you going to do to earn it". I got a job at 14 washing dishes and have worked my ass off ever since. I never asked for a handout, earn everything I have, paid my way though college.

I have no empathy for people who use income inequality as a crutch. If you want something more, better; get off your ass and work to earn it - you'll enjoy it so much more.
I agree with all that you said, except the bolded part is ridiculous. If that is the way the Bay area is, then that is a real problem. I never made 250k per year in my entire life. In fact I never made six figures my entire life - although my wife and I combined did. Having said that, we lived very well and our kids never lacked for anything they needed. In addition, we are both now retired on a very healthy nest egg.

If 85k gives you squalor, then you have made some bad life choices.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/07/medi...us-bureau.html


Overall, American households earned a median income of $57,652 in 2017, up from $55,322 in 2016, the survey reports. That number has increased a solid 12 percent since 2009, in the midst of the financial crisis, when the median household income sat at just $51,425.

California
Median household income: $67,169

Texas
Median household income: $57,051
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I agree with all that you said, except the bolded part is ridiculous. If that is the way the Bay area is, then that is a real problem. I never made 250k per year in my entire life. In fact I never made six figures my entire life - although my wife and I combined did. Having said that, we lived very well and our kids never lacked for anything they needed. In addition, we are both now retired on a very healthy nest egg.

If 85k gives you squalor, then you have made some bad life choices.
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This.

The Navy even has programs in Engineering, Law, and Medicine on both the civilian and military sides. I received a Civilian Engineering scholarship from The Navy which paid full tuition, books and all fees. I also gained practical experience in HVAC, Jet Propulsion, Aircraft Systems and Advanced Materials all as an undergrad. Had I stayed in the program I would have been responsible for working 2 years then free to do as I pleased.

I do not understand why more people don't do the research and get this done. Hundreds if not thousands of these go unused every year yet people go $250K to $500K in debt for an undergrad/advanced degree. My brother, my sister, my daughter and I all graduated with Zero Debt. It can be done if one does a little research.

Great post!
I went in for the college money and ended up making a career out of it. I now get a military ďpensionĒ plus got my college tuition supplemented while I served active duty. I was able to get an MS. I entered the military with a HS diploma and no experience. I learned IT and was able to make that my second career after the Navy. Navy retirement pay funds my toy purchases.....I do not mind working hard to get nice things or have a nice life. I tell every employer I will out work anyone else they have and they wonít have anyone else as dedicated as me or focused on getting the job done. And I mean that. Work ethic is critically important if you want to be on the other side of the wealth gap. Sure, things can go wrong, but if youíre hungry enough (literally and figuratively) you can find a way to achieve your goals. If you goal is to smoke weed in your parentís basement, great, but donít complain about the wealth gap.

If you are born and raised in or immigrated to America, you can achieve levels of comfort unparalleled to any other country. Why do you think we canít keep illegals out? Everyone knows that, except of course the natives.
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I have no empathy for people who use income inequality as a crutch. If you want something more, better; get off your ass and work to earn it - you'll enjoy it so much more.
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No Offense, but having lived in Silicon Valley if you make 85K a year you are living in squalor. Palo Alto passed a city ordinance that says if you earn less than 250K p/year you qualify for subsidized housing. I make over 1M a year and still didn't feel wealthy in the bay area.

The issue with income inequality, as most here have stated, is that most [younger] people feel entitled; feel as if wealth, status, should be handed to them. I feel it's a narrative that the Democrats have propagated over the last 5 years to drive their socialism agenda.

When I was 14 I came home from school one day and asked my Dad if I could go on the school ski trip; he said sure. I then asked him for the $200.00 and he then said "no, what are you going to do to earn it". I got a job at 14 washing dishes and have worked my ass off ever since. I never asked for a handout, earn everything I have, paid my way though college.

I have no empathy for people who use income inequality as a crutch. If you want something more, better; get off your ass and work to earn it - you'll enjoy it so much more.
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I agree with all that you said, except the bolded part is ridiculous. If that is the way the Bay area is, then that is a real problem. I never made 250k per year in my entire life. In fact I never made six figures my entire life - although my wife and I combined did. Having said that, we lived very well and our kids never lacked for anything they needed. In addition, we are both now retired on a very healthy nest egg.

If 85k gives you squalor, then you have made some bad life choices.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/07/medi...us-bureau.html


Overall, American households earned a median income of $57,652 in 2017, up from $55,322 in 2016, the survey reports. That number has increased a solid 12 percent since 2009, in the midst of the financial crisis, when the median household income sat at just $51,425.

California
Median household income: $67,169

Texas
Median household income: $57,051
You gentlemen, win Tag Team Internet of the day. Congratulations!

I think this exchange also reveals something a bit larger and a lot more insidious. This is a liberal political heaven and it basically has 2 classes...those 5hitting on the sidewalk and those with nice homes, high-6 and 7 figure incomes while the middle class is destroyed. Sound familiar? The same social setup is present in any People's Republic of ___________.

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I went in for the college money and ended up making a career out of it. I now get a military ďpensionĒ plus got my college tuition supplemented while I served active duty. I was able to get an MS. I entered the military with a HS diploma and no experience. I learned IT and was able to make that my second career after the Navy. Navy retirement pay funds my toy purchases.....I do not mind working hard to get nice things or have a nice life. I tell every employer I will out work anyone else they have and they wonít have anyone else as dedicated as me or focused on getting the job done. And I mean that. Work ethic is critically important if you want to be on the other side of the wealth gap. Sure, things can go wrong, but if youíre hungry enough (literally and figuratively) you can find a way to achieve your goals. If you goal is to smoke weed in your parentís basement, great, but donít complain about the wealth gap.

If you are born and raised in or immigrated to America, you can achieve levels of comfort unparalleled to any other country. Why do you think we canít keep illegals out? Everyone knows that, except of course the natives.
EXCELLENT POST and fantastic life story. This should be required reading in every high school junior and senior class in the country.

Congratulations on your vision, hard work and success!
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2 years ago, we had a Ukrainian immigrant who fled from Crimea apply for a job. He rode his bike to our company because that's all he had. He couldn't even speak English at the time.

Fast forward 2 years, he left our company after making 75k/year from a lot of overtime and with insurance benefits, on an unskilled labor blue collar job. He left for what he claims was a better job, and left in his new Jeep Grand Cherokee. He's building his own American dream, and I'm glad he found something better.

Similar story for many immigrants, including my parents. Income inequality will always exist. Get off your ass, and do something about it, because there are plenty of people in absolutely worse situations than you who have overcome more. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get to work so you can make your own future, because there are plenty of others with less who have already done so time and time again.
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EXCELLENT POST and fantastic life story. This should be required reading in every high school junior and senior class in the country.

Congratulations on your vision, hard work and success!
My story is not over yet, but so far the recipe has worked. I have been working ever since I was legally able to at 15 1/2 (convenience store, bussing tables, construction gopher work etc) honestly younger than that if you include when I worked on a family friend’s farm for a couple summers doing general labor. That’s how I learned to drive at 13. I was good as long as I stayed on the farm dirt roads. They were very wealthy and had 7k acres of farm and dairy land, grazing etc. Some of those experiences helped me understand different aspects of life, work and the economy.

On the Bay Area: while I was in the Navy, I spent three years splitting my time between east coast and Silicon Valley. I really enjoyed going there (early 90s), the melting pot of people, very scenically beautiful and the weather is always very temperate. This was in the late 90s early 2000s. As I started asking about the area more and more because I thought it might eventually be a place to end up, I realize that people were paying more for their houses than in DC, which was also expensive, but also some people were driving 2 hours each way because they couldn’t afford anything based on the salaries the tech companies were paying. I’m not sure if it’s a housing shortage issue or what but I always wondered why more homes weren’t being built to meet the demand.

When I returned in 2017 for the RSA conference, I was really disappointed that San Francisco had morphed into some kind of third world metropolis. Yes there are all these nice buildings with big companies, but on the surface, the stench of weed and poop permeated the air in many places. I was staying in the financial district. The city seemed dirty and people were much less friendly than I remember too. I did manage to have a good time and tried to Uber places vs walking around to avoid the druggies, protestors and panhandlers.

One funny thing was, there was a higher end barber shop (I needed/wanted a haircut) I found and they charged $100 for a haircut. I was like I pay $30 and that included a $20 tip. I’m out lol.
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2 years ago, we had a Ukrainian immigrant who fled from Crimea apply for a job. He rode his bike to our company because that's all he had. He couldn't even speak English at the time.

Fast forward 2 years, he left our company after making 75k/year from a lot of overtime and with insurance benefits, on an unskilled labor blue collar job. He left for what he claims was a better job, and left in his new Jeep Grand Cherokee. He's building his own American dream, and I'm glad he found something better.

Similar story for many immigrants, including my parents. Income inequality will always exist. Get off your ass, and do something about it, because there are plenty of people in absolutely worse situations than you who have overcome more. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get to work so you can make your own future, because there are plenty of others with less who have already done so time and time again.
He undoubtedly used his white privilege to get there
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That is a completely different question from the one about income inequality. The problems with your question becomes "what is a living wage?" and "what is the standard of living?" or "Should the burger flipper make the same wage as the CEO of Virgin Airlines?"
Libs always bring up Scandinavian countries as their socialist paradise. Funny thing is that Scandinavia is very much capitalist, business friendly, and has no laws governing minimum wage. In fact most countries dont have government mandated salaries let alone a living wage clause.
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