[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by jmack123

Honestly, the incessant whining from you crowd. Just looking at a few reviews randomly:

Motor1 - "I appreciate the XM's powertrain, despite my brief time with it. But I adored the electric power-assisted steering from the first turn. The XM may still be in development, but it already has potentially the best steering of any BMW in over a decade and that's because it so clearly mimics older BMWs."

CNET - "BMW says the XM has a perfect 50/50 weight balance, and this SUV's on-road composure is indeed one of its best attributes. Hard launches, harder stops (thanks, 20-inch steel brakes), throwing it into tight bends -- nothing can upset the XM's balance."

Top Gear - "How's the handling?
Pretty astonishing, frankly. 48-volt anti-roll bars keep the high-riding body freakishly flat as the XM is hurled from corner to corner. It's so good, you wonder if they couldn't get away with softening the ride off a tad more in a straight line, to keep up the comfort end of the XM's bargain."

Mike drop
Edit: it's money magazine? FCOL

[ellipsis212]

There's a niche market for this car and as long as it impresses on road and doesn't look like hot trash I like that they made it.

[Ibiza]

The M lounge rear seating makes no sense. If this car is driven the way a M should be driven then the rear seat passenger would get thrown out by the lateral G forces. I'll be sticking with the X5M.

[floating.spirit]

Top Gear: "…begin heaving themselves off BMW's Spartanburg factory floor…". 😂

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Mavus

for that size and high cg I guess but far from awesome … sorry need to understand physics

don't tell me you'd rather go to track with x3 than m3

It’s not a race car. Neither is an M5 or even M3. Doesn’t mean they don’t have a place. Seems to be quite a step on the from the X5/6 M’s which were already stupid fast and nicely trimmed. This is just fun for the sake of fun, “physics” be damned

[bholler]

That exhaust :

[cbertels]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

If they had just called it the X9, perhaps the expectations would have been different.

Bingo! With a name like XM, the bar is extraordinarily high IMHO.

[stein_325i]

Is it just me or does it look like most of the interior will be the same as the X7 LCI with bits here and there from the X5/6M.

As for this monstrosity being the first standalone M product in decades…

[vt100]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Luxury over driving dynamics. Terrible.

Call it XL then (that was for BMW, not for you )

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Luxury over driving dynamics. Terrible.

Why would you even consider buying such a behemoth if you value driving dynamics? It’s a luxury yacht with tons of power - kind of like the new Escalade-V.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Mavus

for that size and high cg I guess but far from awesome … sorry need to understand physics

don't tell me you'd rather go to track with x3 than m3

Indeed, according to this forum, there are only two things you can/should do with your M BMW. 1) track it or 2) buy groceries. M3’s get tracked (all of them), X3/5M’s get parked in front of a Costco.

[playswcars]

Can we normalize calling this "BMW Urus"?

[Brandt51]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Indeed, according to this forum, there are only two things you can/should do with your M BMW. 1) track it or 2) buy groceries. M3’s get tracked (all of them), X3/5M’s get parked in front of a Costco.

Originally Posted by Game

Mark my words, there will be lines to get one of these. Hell my dealer had a deposit back in March for the first one.

Tough crowd here. It's Sam's Club I'll track the X5M before the M2 I think though. I think it would be easier and less things to stress about first time out.

I think it's cool that BMW is doing a stand alone M car thing. SUVs prob sell better than sedans and coupes. And if the XM is successful, maybe a stand alone M car will follow.

[PittsDriver]

Originally Posted by Mavus

for that size and high cg I guess but far from awesome … sorry need to understand physics

don't tell me you'd rather go to track with x3 than m3

Those guys looked like they were having fun. I understand physics but I also have some idea of how much fun 600 hp would be. The only thing that would make it more fun would be if you could switch it to rear wheel drive only.

[Mani59]

Joe's thoughts.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by MilehighM3

Tell that to anyone with an X3/4/5/6M. Driving dynamics are awesome on those cars. The XM will not disappoint!

True that maybe, but it'd still be nowhere near the sedan/coupe versions of the same car

Grand tour ran a F80 M3 against the Macan Turbo/Alfa Stelvio Quad (and a Velar but we know that'd always end up last)

Macan ended up 20 seconds slower, around Area 27
Alfa with Clarkson at the wheel was 16 seconds slower.

[DG-X5]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Is it just me or does it look like most of the interior will be the same as the X7 LCI with bits here and there from the X5/6M.

As for this monstrosity being the first standalone M product in decades…

What did they do to the B&W grilles? Oh dear - I'm at least a much bigger fan of the current gen… perhaps this is just a preproduction shell?

[jmack123]

FYI, for those whining about "physics", here is an example of an SUV (see Porsche Cayenne) setting a better lap time than the new (G80) M3, which is obviously a serious performer. So the idea that because of "physics" an SUV can't be a worthy performance vehicle is absolute nonsense:

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2022/

[Mach550]

Current "performance" SUV's defy physics at an insane rate. You have to think that the suspension and body take a heavy beating from these capabilities and will have more/faster wear and tear than the M cars.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by jmack123

FYI, for those whining about "physics", here is an example of an SUV (see Porsche Cayenne) setting a better lap time than the new (G80) M3, which is obviously a serious performer. So the idea that because of "physics" an SUV can't be a worthy performance vehicle is absolute nonsense:

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2022/

an 180k SUV wearing R-compounds beating a car worth 100k less on street tires, got it

The M5CS, priced 60k less as specified wearing the same Pirelli Pzero Corsa also beat this 180k SUV (specced over 200k according to your article), so your point is... what

An SUV can be worthy performance vehicle, with a significant money, more power, and better tires, to defy those very same physics they are trying to defy, now imagine the same car in a lower, lighter body, perhaps it would have been even faster. Panamera Turbo S vs. Cayenne GT Turbo, or even the X5CS vs. M5CS, the latter case, tires likely would be worth a second or two, but not 10 seconds difference

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by kyriian

an 180k SUV wearing R-compounds beating a car worth 100k less on street tires, got it

The M5CS , 60k less wearing the same Pirelli Pzero Corsa also beat this 180k SUV, so your point is... what

Point is that the idea that SUVs can't perform like performance sedans is nonsense, figured you'd be able to figure that out. You do realize the XM will be > $180k correct? Therefore it will likely stand a good chance of having M3-level performance. And in this price range, customers are not exactly price sensitive, so the cost relative to performance is irrelevant, what really matters is absolute performance capability.

By the way, a lower-lighter vehicle lacks UTILITY, which is something you "purists" seem to forget. Unless you are competing professionally with your M car (which no one is), utility will always have a value. Why the hell would I car about getting a car with FAR less utility for a second or two on the track when I am not using the vehicle to compete? Makes literally zero sense.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by jmack123

Point is that the idea that SUVs can't perform like performance sedans is nonsense, figured you'd be able to figure that out. You do realize the XM will be > $180k correct? Therefore it will likely stand a good chance of having M3-level performance. And in this price range, customers are not exactly price sensitive, so the cost relative to performance is irrelevant, what really matters is absolute performance capability. Thus my point is, the endless whining about dilution of the M brand is nonsense.

We can argue all day long and likely not reach a civil agreement so I'd just agree to disagree.

As far as dilution of the M brand, that I will agree with. M is just a marketing tool, BMW is not the first and neither will it be the last, and neither will they care what we say anyways as long as it sells to the client it is intended for.