The official "Ask a cop/deputy anything!" thread

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by premier3is

Fair enough. I looked at how the law allows this though, which is where my point stemmed from.

And also for you mentioning you needing the AR and how it could be the best tool for your job. I have no problem with yourself being a cop carrying one in your squad car. Indeed it may be the best weapon for you if needed.

But like I said, I'm not saying people shouldn't own weapons. I do think though as I previous mentioned we need tighter gun control laws and potentially limiting civilians on what can be owned (such as ARs).

The law generally doesn't allow it. That's my point. Very few states allow you to carry a rifle slung across your back in public (..hunting aside).

What further gun law would you employ that's NOT already on the books?! Keep in mind I am in California. We are already very restrictive.

What makes the AR any different than your grandfather's semi-automatic rifle (...aside from the way it looks)? Operationally there is no difference.

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Are any of the cops here happy that they don't have to bust pot smokers so hard now?
In the years leading up to pot legalization, when you could see it coming, did you go lenient on the users you dealt with?

Murf

I bust people high on marijuana daily. It's not legal federally and it's not legal to drive while high on marijuana, smoke in your car, etc. People high on marijuana are often involved in DUI traffic collisions; if they also have alcohol in their system I charge them with the enhanced subsection for the combination impairment. They go to jail just like every other drug user.

[F30lolz]

I got pulled over by a NYS trooper maybe early 2000’s timeframe and he let me go. Don’t remember if it was speeding on local streets or if I took a red light but I was very grateful that I wanted to shake his hand. He denied it saying he wasn’t allowed to shake my hand.

I’m assuming that’s personal preference but do you shake hands with people you pull over ��

[Fly320s]

Is there a field test for pot intoxication? Or does it fall under the same umbrella as alcohol intoxication, such as walk a straight line, stand on one foot, or whatever?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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What makes the AR any different than your grandfather's semi-automatic rifle (...aside from the way it looks)? Operationally there is no difference.

I think you know the difference.
Gramp's M1 Garand had a 8 shot clip? It couldn't be concealed as easily also.
Almost all other rifles from Gramp's day were bolt action (Enfield, etc.)

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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I bust people high on marijuana daily. It's not legal federally and it's not legal to drive while high on marijuana, smoke in your car, etc. People high on marijuana are often involved in DUI traffic collisions; if they also have alcohol in their system I charge them with the enhanced subsection for the combination impairment. They go to jail just like every other drug user.

Without extenuating circumstances?

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The law generally doesn't allow it. That's my point. Very few states allow you to carry a rifle slung across your back in public (..hunting aside).

What further gun law would you employ that's NOT already on the books?! Keep in mind I am in California. We are already very restrictive.

What makes the AR any different than your grandfather's semi-automatic rifle (...aside from the way it looks)? Operationally there is no difference.

I bust people high on marijuana daily. It's not legal federally and it's not legal to drive while high on marijuana, smoke in your car, etc. People high on marijuana are often involved in DUI traffic collisions; if they also have alcohol in their system I charge them with the enhanced subsection for the combination impairment. They go to jail just like every other drug user.

The law generally doesn't allow it. That's my point. Very few states allow you to carry a rifle slung across your back in public (..hunting aside).
-Even if 1 allows it, something should be done. Once again, just my opinion.

What further gun law would you employ that's NOT already on the books?! Keep in mind I am in California. We are already very restrictive.
- I'm in California too as you know. But like I mentioned earlier I have no solution to the problem, I just know it's one that needs to have action taken on.

What makes the AR any different than your grandfather's semi-automatic rifle (...aside from the way it looks)? Operationally there is no difference.
- Why do civilians need either of them though? The problem may lie in the ammunition they use. AR bullet velocity is like 2-3x than a handgun or something which makes a huge difference on impact.

[Buug959]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Is there a field test for pot intoxication? Or does it fall under the same umbrella as alcohol intoxication, such as walk a straight line, stand on one foot, or whatever?

I don't know if there is any field test currently in use in the US but it is available. A saliva test is used in the UK and if you have a positive result then you are taken for a blood sample.

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

I think you know the difference.
Gramp's M1 Garand had a 8 shot clip?
Almost all other rifles from Gramp's day were bolt action (Enfield, etc.)

My knowledge on guns is low, but this sums up what my point was going to be, I just didn't know how to put it in the right terminology lol.

Anyways, I think I'm going to step aside and just read the posts lol as I don't think many here are in favor of strict gun control laws!

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

... and continue to be contrary and incite because that's your purpose here. I'll keep arresting people for 23152(f) CVC (...DUI drugs).

Oh good! Clan has given me a purpose!

You will never know my past; I can't be googled.
Did you ever work for RR?

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=177

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by premier3is

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Anyways, I think I'm going to step aside and just read the posts lol as I don't think many here are in favor of strict gun control laws!

Not here, but the country is!

[TiMSport]

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Right there with you now

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

I got pulled over by a NYS trooper maybe early 2000's timeframe and he let me go. Don't remember if it was speeding on local streets or if I took a red light but I was very grateful that I wanted to shake his hand. He denied it saying he wasn't allowed to shake my hand.

I'm assuming that's personal preference but do you shake hands with people you pull over ��

Not usually, but I have on one or two occasions. I am always professional however.

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Is there a field test for pot intoxication? Or does it fall under the same umbrella as alcohol intoxication, such as walk a straight line, stand on one foot, or whatever?

Yes. We do Standardized Field Sobriety Tests just the same as we would for somebody under the influence of alcohol. Cannabis affects the eyes (...lack of convergence, dilation, etc.). We also test heart rate, etc. As a DRE, my roadside drug investigation will be very thorough, testing blood pressure, etc.


Eyes do not lie.

Originally Posted by Littlebear

I think you know the difference.
Gramp's M1 Garand had a 8 shot clip? It couldn't be concealed as easily also.
Almost all other rifles from Gramp's day were bolt action (Enfield, etc.)

AR's aren't easily concealed either, which is why most gun crimes aren't committed using AR's (..less than 1% of gun crimes are committed using AR's). Furthermore, capacity is irrelevant. Civilian AR's in California are limited to 10 rounds. Does the extra two rounds really make a difference? Not at all. Your logic isn't sound.

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Without extenuating circumstances?

What extenuating circumstances? Impairment is impairment. Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Originally Posted by premier3is

The law generally doesn't allow it. That's my point. Very few states allow you to carry a rifle slung across your back in public (..hunting aside).
-Even if 1 allows it, something should be done. Once again, just my opinion.

What further gun law would you employ that's NOT already on the books?! Keep in mind I am in California. We are already very restrictive.
- I'm in California too as you know. But like I mentioned earlier I have no solution to the problem, I just know it's one that needs to have action taken on.

What makes the AR any different than your grandfather's semi-automatic rifle (...aside from the way it looks)? Operationally there is no difference.
- Why do civilians need either of them though? The problem may lie in the ammunition they use. AR bullet velocity is like 2-3x than a handgun or something which is a huge difference on impact.

No! You're wrong. This is where education and experience will provide insight. Velocity is partially about round design and partially about mixture. Some 9mm rounds are only a few hundred feet-per-second difference than the AR .300 Blackout round, for example. What a bullet/round does on impact has more to do with how the round is designed. Just because it's a high velocity round does not mean it will do more damage. Velocity provides more reach.

Originally Posted by LemansE90335xi

I don't know if there is any field test currently in use in the US but it is available. A saliva test is used in the UK and if you have a positive result then you are taken for a blood sample.

See my post above about SFST's.

Originally Posted by premier3is

My knowledge on guns is low, but this sums up what my point was going to be, I just didn't know how to put it in the right terminology lol.

Anyways, I think I'm going to step aside and just read the posts lol as I don't think many here are in favor of strict gun control laws!

So is his!!! I don't mean that pejoratively; just a fact.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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AR's aren't easily concealed either, which is why most gun crimes aren't committed using AR's (..less than 1% of gun crimes are committed using AR's). Furthermore, capacity is irrelevant. Civilian AR's in California are limited to 10 rounds. Does the extra two rounds really make a difference? Not at all. Your logic isn't sound....

So is his!!! I don't mean that pejoratively; just a fact.

My logic is plenty sound:
" Since 1985 there has been a known total 47 mass shootings involving rifles, mostly semi-automatics. This figure is underreported though, as it excludes the multiple semi-automatic (and fully automatic) rifles used in the 2017 Las Vegas Strip massacre – the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, killing 58 and wounding 546. In fact, semi-automatic rifles were featured in four of the five deadliest mass shootings, being used in the Orlando nightclub massacre, Sandy Hook Elementary massacre and Texas First Baptist Church massacre."

Pistols are used in more crimes & murders, but in an above post you seemed to poo-poo any attempts to control cheap pistols.
Maybe we can have safer practices for both!

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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What extenuating circumstances? Impairment is impairment. Breaking the law is breaking the law.....

So is his!!! I don't mean that pejoratively; just a fact.

Such as not driving, but just chilling on the front steps. You have related quite a few times where you gave drivers a break....
I know you poo-poo'd the BLM movement, but don't you think black people got screwed by the marijuana laws, especially combined with enforcement like stop & frisk?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Such as not driving, but just chilling on the front steps. You have related quite a few times where you gave drivers a break....
I know you poo-poo'd the BLM movement, but don't you think black people got screwed by the marijuana laws, especially combined with enforcement like stop & frisk?

Smoking marijuana in public is illegal in my state, as is drinking in public.

Blacks don't get anymore screwed by marijuana than all of the Hispanics I cite or arrest.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Smoking marijuana in public is illegal in my state, as is drinking in public.

Blacks don't get anymore screwed by marijuana than all of the Hispanics I cite or arrest.

How about whites?

I guess you know all about how stop & frisk was abused by the cops in NYC, and surely elsewhere?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

How about whites?

I guess you know all about how stop & frisk was abused by the cops in NYC, and surely elsewhere?

I mentioned Hispanics because that's predominantly what's in my area and I know what you were insinuating. My point: I cite and arrest mostly Hispanics because that's my demographic. Am I unfairly targeting them? No!

My buddies who work areas with predominantly whites or blacks will deal with them more. It's common sense.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I mentioned Hispanics because that's predominantly what's in my area and I know what you were insinuating. My point: I cite and arrest mostly Hispanics because that's my demographic. Am I unfairly targeting them? No!

Good, because the system isn't really equitable. Whites, being generally better off financially, have places to smoke their pacalola, like a garage, basement, private bedroom, etc. Poorer folks smoke on the street more, because they don't have the luxury to not.
On top of that, NYC cops would go up to a black person, demand that they empty their pockets, and if some mary jane came out they would be arrested for carrying in the open.
Before NYS legalized small amounts of pot, the Brklyn DA voided many smoking in public tickets because of this unequal treatment.
Just one of the many parts of BLM!

Murf

[cmyx6go]

I really enjoy this thread and would hate for it to disappear for getting political. Someone else mentioned it before. I thought it was worth mentioning again.

Climbs off soapbox....

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

.... Furthermore, capacity is irrelevant. Civilian AR's in California are limited to 10 rounds. Does the extra two rounds really make a difference? Not at all. Your logic isn't sound....

So is his!!! I don't mean that pejoratively; just a fact.

Tell that to Gabby Gifford. Her attacker was stopped when he had to change clips. Two more bullets could have been two more killed or injured.
Tell that to every GI in WW2. When the M1 emptied a clip it would eject, often with noise the enemy could hear. The race was then on to see if the GI could re-load before being killed.

Gabby Gifford survived, but have you seen what her present condition is like?

Murf

PS: See, I know lots about guns

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by lebreeze

No it doesn't affect the 👀. Convergence or dilation lol.
But you probably know better. I'm only a ophthalmologist

Interesting because other ophthalmologists.....you know, the ones WHO HELPED [AND CONTINUE TO HELP] DEVELOP the DRE program that LAPD created (...and later refined by the CHP) disagree with you. We get convergence on cannabis, inhalants, CNS depressants and depressive anesthetics. It has been tested and proven, witnessed in the field and it passes muster in court. As we learn more about cannabis, the chart continues to be refined. Maybe you are the one not up to speed?!? <shrug>