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      09-02-2019, 06:15 PM   #2333
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Actually the lack of leather will be the mark of all modern cars in the future. Tesla is first in autos but the trend is to end the use of leather worldwide. The Leather industry is being replaced in numerous sectors.
Should I stock up on leather shoes?
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The range rover velar has a non leather suedecloth option. Still wouldn't get it over leather, but it is quite nice, much nicer than the tesla.
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That'll surely please the 7 people who insist on a "vegan car interior." Seriously, give me a god damn break.
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I don't know what the obsession is with leather seats in cars. I have only owned one car with leather seats, and that was only because that car year/model was not sold with cloth seats. I'll take my cow cooked medium on a plate with a baked potato please, and drive home in a car with cloth seats.

If anyone hasn't looked at BMW's EV lineup, the "Giga" world trim in North America (Lodge interior everywhere else) is half tan leather and half shredded coke bottles woven into a gray cloth. The leather was tanned using something crazy like olive leaf extract, to be environmentally friendly.....




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Got cloth in my current car. Actually would prefer a quality cloth to anything short of a quality semi-aniline leather interior like BMW Nappa, and even then you're only getting Nappa quality on the seat tops and waxed, treated leather on the sides, dash, doors and console. Car leather is over rated.
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Cows used for hides are raised for that. They're treated much better than cows used for meat. So yes, less demand for hide cows does "save" animals.
At the beef farm down the street from me, the cows get roam around in the same scenic place I do...
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I don't know what the obsession is with leather seats in cars. I have only owned one car with leather seats, and that was only because that car year/model was not sold with cloth seats. I'll take my cow cooked medium on a plate with a baked potato please, and drive home in a car with cloth seats.

If anyone hasn't looked at BMW's EV lineup, the "Giga" world trim in North America (Lodge interior everywhere else) is half tan leather and half shredded coke bottles woven into a gray cloth. The leather was tanned using something crazy like olive leaf extract, to be environmentally friendly.....



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Because cloth is trash.

Leather cleans up easily.
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I hate that "carbonstructure" textile crap they put in the F80/F82. It is gross especially when paired with those weird bamboo beach mat inspired floor mats.

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Actually the lack of leather will be the mark of all modern cars in the future. Tesla is first in autos but the trend is to end the use of leather worldwide. The Leather industry is being replaced in numerous sectors.
I tend to agree with the trend away from leather, as long as there are functionally and aesthetically equivalent alternatives.
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Sheesh; I grew up with vinyl seats (or MB-Tex if you’re into that brand) and sheepskin seat covers. They were great in winter, that being the era before heated seats. They breathed better than vinyl in summer but were still too warm. I liked cloth seats because they breathe so well but they also stain easily. Leather back in the day was a premium product that wore well and cleaned up well, but was functionally like vinyl (hot and stick to it). Now leather is often perforated, heated and ventilated (or even cooled), which is nice, but it also not dyed but painted instead and seems to be thin enough to wear fast, especially when I’m wearing denim.

I welcome the return of quality cloth seats, especially if heated and ventilated. I suspect the fabrics will be easier to clean that the real cloth of my youth. That and some coco mats, and I’m almost reliving my youth!
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Cows used for hides are raised for that. They're treated much better than cows used for meat. So yes, less demand for hide cows does "save" animals.
At the beef farm down the street from me, the cows get roam around in the same scenic place I do...
But are the fences nerf? Don't want a hide getting a large blemish.
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Actually the lack of leather will be the mark of all modern cars in the future. Tesla is first in autos but the trend is to end the use of leather worldwide. The Leather industry is being replaced in numerous sectors.
MB has been pushing MBTex since at least the 80s. Very very few MB have leather, including GL/GLS. The only mainstream models where leather is common are G and S class.
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True but doesn't make it any better. BMW's Dakota leather barely feels like like leather and more akin to leatherette. It is nuts that on MB unless you're breaking 90-100k you're not getting a real leather seat or in some cases a leather dashboard as an option.
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When I was looking at a Model 3 the sales person referred to the interior as Vegan Leather. Not sure why, but that wording bothered me more than it should have. Plus, no leather in a luxury car just seems odd...
They coined that term exactly for people like you, who equate leather with luxury.
So, you've got leather... it's vegan.
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True but doesn't make it any better. BMW's Dakota leather barely feels like like leather and more akin to leatherette. It is nuts that on MB unless you're breaking 90-100k you're not getting a real leather seat or in some cases a leather dashboard as an option.
It's mind-blowing to think that you could almost buy a cow for the price of 'upgrading' to Dakota leather.
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Hahaha... I had it in one of the BMW I owned a while back and will never have it again. Nappa or Merino here on out but still curious to know what the difference was between Dakota and Nevada leather.
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but still curious to know what the difference was between Dakota and Nevada leather.
Farmed about 1300 miles apart.
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Yeah the Dakota leather in my F20 125i was very disappointing, not even close to the Novillo in my E90 M3, nor what was in my E46 M3.
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Farmed about 1300 miles apart.
I thought that the difference was in which side the jockey whipped it during its last race.....
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I hate that "carbonstructure" textile crap they put in the F80/F82. It is gross especially when paired with those weird bamboo beach mat inspired floor mats.

Looks like hockey sticks to me
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Yeah the Dakota leather in my F20 125i was very disappointing, not even close to the Novillo in my E90 M3, nor what was in my E46 M3.
I love the leather and smell a new E46 M3 had. It was a mix of leather, vanilla and Play-Doh. When I sold my '06 ZCP it only had 9k miles on it and almost every person got in was shocked that it was 12 years old but still smelled like day one. One of the only cars I regret selling.
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I don't know what the obsession is with leather seats in cars. I have only owned one car with leather seats, and that was only because that car year/model was not sold with cloth seats. I'll take my cow cooked medium on a plate with a baked potato please, and drive home in a car with cloth seats.

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Giga World is the best interior material I have ever owned. In second is the carbonstructure interior in my F80 M3. I prefer it over my leather interior M3 CS and as "luxurious" as it is and as nice as it feels, I'm still a high quality cloth guy. It stays cooler, it's more comfortable, and it's gripper for track duty.

I had Giga World on my 2015 i3 and I skipped it for my 2018 i3, but I missed it so much I've just ordered a 2019 i3 with Giga again. The mix of cloth and leather is perfect, both functional, cool, and attractive.
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