Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT review

[M-technik-3]

Not in the market for a vehicle like this so I saw blah.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by RM7

The 392 cherokee hellhawk-thing that raced with us at autocross was kind of a joke. It DID sound good, but it handled like crap and then broke an axle. It just wasn’t meant to be raced over and over…like a porsche. That guy got a macan and hasnt looked back.

Of course…for “pulling” they make EVs now.

Well it’s a joke to think a wrangler or trackhawk is going to do well in autocross. The wrangler is literally a 5000 pound refrigerator on wheels with a hell of an engine strapped to it. Awesome for the street, not made for the track. Most people that have a car like the 392/trackhawk probably have another car or two.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Well it’s a joke to think a wrangler or trackhawk is going to do well in autocross. The wrangler is literally a 5000 pound refrigerator on wheels with a hell of an engine strapped to it. Awesome for the street, not made for the track. Most people that have a car like the 392/trackhawk probably have another car or two.

Awesome for the street? I guess after every sedan, wagon and hatch…The whole point with these is the places where there arent streets. If there are streets, there are infinitely more awesome choices.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by RM7

Awesome for the street? I guess after every sedan, wagon and hatch…The whole point with these is the places where there arent streets. If there are streets, there are infinitely more awesome choices.

You should try driving a 392 Wrangler and report back to tell us how much fun you didn’t have. I’ve driven a lot of cars. There are not many that I would choose over the 392 for a daily. And I have an FF and 991.1 GTS, still wind up driving the 392 most days.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by M3WC

I will never understand these coupe-like SUVs.

Sell your soul for the money. Make something for everyone, no matter how ridiculous.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

You should try driving a 392 Wrangler and report back to tell us how much fun you didn’t have. I’ve driven a lot of cars. There are not many that I would choose over the 392 for a daily. And I have an FF and 991.1 GTS, still wind up driving the 392 most days.

Sad story is sad.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Next time, please do not hold back in telling us how you really feel.

Internet forum and we're allowed to express our views, within reason

Yeah, I feel very strongly that companies like Porsche and BMW have compromised themselves, their history, and reputation to appease a larger audience in order to make a buck. It's sad to see where these companies are now and their current line-up.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Internet forum and we're allowed to express our views, within reason

Yeah, I feel very strongly that companies like Porsche and BMW have compromised themselves, their history, and reputation to appease a larger audience in order to make a buck. It's sad to see where these companies are now and their current line-up.

Would you prefer them to be bankrupt and make no cars at all? BMW has gone off the deep end with their designs but Porsche is very much still Porsche.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Internet forum and we're allowed to express our views, within reason

Yeah, I feel very strongly that companies like Porsche and BMW have compromised themselves, their history, and reputation to appease a larger audience in order to make a buck. It's sad to see where these companies are now and their current line-up.

What the heck would you want to see BMW sell? Only sedans and coupes? Porsche...911's and Cayman/Boxsters? Both brands objectively have the best versions of their sports cars in the history of the brand, due mostly to the sales of their SUV's.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Internet forum and we're allowed to express our views, within reason

Yeah, I feel very strongly that companies like Porsche and BMW have compromised themselves, their history, and reputation to appease a larger audience in order to make a buck. It's sad to see where these companies are now and their current line-up.

That 'buck' lets them keep building the M3/4/5 and 911s. They are a company in it for profits. Most that has tried to stay true to its path has met a fairly unceremonious end. Porsche for one almost did before the Cayenne
Even Ferrari's gotten into it, because it keeps the lights on the cars for the enthusiasts.

[Froz3n_M]

Its funny to hear the hate on the performance SUV market. The fact that people who love Porsche 911's or anything in their lineup should be thanking the Cayenne for saving the brand from bankruptcy. If anything, the cayenne saved Porsche lol. So if you like RSQ8's, Urus, Bentayga, and even a Touareg then stop hating on the Cayenne. Customers want something, and its obviously selling. Urus is one of the highest selling (volume) Lambo units, and so many others are now following suit (Aston, Ferrari, to name a few).

Its a great SUV, I am biased though because I haver a 9Y0 GTS, and I absolutely love it.

Buy what you like and have your opinions, but just understand others will have theirs too. What YOU drive doesn't make ME happy.

[MachinesWithSouls]

The amount of hate for cars people have never driven.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

The amount of hate for cars people have never driven.

Yup, and that's 3/4 of most forum members. They are keyboard warriors that have watched far too many YouTube reviews and jump on the bandwagon. I won't talk shit about a vehicle until I've driven it (usually more than once), and even then, anything I say isn't gospel and is completely subjective.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Internet forum and we're allowed to express our views, within reason

Yeah, I feel very strongly that companies like Porsche and BMW have compromised themselves, their history, and reputation to appease a larger audience in order to make a buck. It's sad to see where these companies are now and their current line-up.

Themselves
Their history
Current shareholders

Which constituency’s needs should be satisfied?

[XutvJet]

The Cayenne didn't save Porsche from bankruptcy, the first gen Boxster did that. With the improved sales and cash inflow, Porsche decided it needed to break into the lucrative SUV market thus Porsche taking the existing VW Touareg platform and glamming it up into a "Porsche".

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

The amount of hate for cars people have never driven.

I don't have to drive a car to know I don't like it whether it be the concept/design, the looks, performance, etc. I'm pretty sure most in this thread know that they wouldn't like owning a Prius even if they haven't driven one. Just because a Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT is crazy fast, handles and stops great, looks like a Porsche, has great fit and finish, etc. doesn't mean I don't find it pointless, silly, and completely lacking in "utility".

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I don't have to drive a car to know I don't like it whether it be the concept/design, the looks, performance, etc. I'm pretty most in this thread know that they wouldn't like owning a Prius even if they haven't driven one.

Right so, you’re basically saying my job is invalid because you don’t need to drive a car to form an opinion on one. This is good to know, it will save a lot of time.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

The Cayenne didn't save Porsche from bankruptcy, the first gen Boxster did that. With the improved sales and cash inflow, Porsche decided it needed to break into the lucrative SUV market thus Porsche taking the existing VW Touareg platform and glamming it up into a "Porsche".

I mean... the URUS does the same and yet it's the most spectacular SUV on the planet... it's cheaper and lower priced cousin (RSQ8) only ran 10 seconds slower on the Ring than the G80 M3 lol...

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by chassis

Themselves
Their history
Current shareholders

Which constituency’s needs should be satisfied?

Shareholders.

When Porsche went public, that's when the brand really went to crap, IMO.
Anyone that was with a privately held company knows that things tend to go crap once a company goes public and/or are acquired by private equity. It's all about stock price and the shareholders. Going public forces companies to grow, grow, grow, and that ultimately comes at a big price. Tesla is a great current example.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Shareholders.

When Porsche went public, that's when the brand really went to crap, IMO.
Anyone that was with a privately held company knows that things tend to go crap once a company goes public and/or are acquired by private equity. It's all about stock price and the shareholders. Going public forces companies to grow, grow, grow, and that ultimately comes at a big price. Tesla is a great current example.

You’re right, Porsche definitely doesn’t listen to their customers. They didn’t make a manual GT3. They didn’t go back to a 4.0 NA engine for the 718 GTS. They didn’t make a manual turbo (new sport classic). They didn’t stuff a GT3 engine into a Cayman body. They didn’t give 991.1 GT3 owners a 10 year engine warranty. They definitely didn’t make an off-roading 911 that nobody even really asked for. They’re just in it for themselves and those dastardly SUV profits!

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

The Cayenne didn't save Porsche from bankruptcy, the first gen Boxster did that. With the improved sales and cash inflow, Porsche decided it needed to break into the lucrative SUV market thus Porsche taking the existing VW Touareg platform and glamming it up into a "Porsche".

You are smoking something wild if you think the Boxster saved Porsche. Without the SUV's Porsche would not be around today (or would not be anything near what it is).

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

You are smoking something wild if you think the Boxster saved Porsche. Without the SUV's Porsche would not be around today (or would not be anything near what it is).

Yep, just look at the volume of suvs they sell compared to sports cars.