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      08-01-2023, 11:05 PM   #1
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To mark the special anniversary of the iconic 911 sports car, the engineers in Weissach have designed a highly purist sports car dedicated to sheer driving enjoyment: the 911 S/T. The exclusive anniversary model unites the strengths of the 911 GT3 with Touring Package and the 911 GT3 RS and delivers a unique combination of agility and driving dynamics. It combines the naturally aspirated, 386 kW (525 PS) 4.0-litre boxer engine from the 911 GT3 RS with a short-ratio manual transmission. This is complemented by a resolutely lightweight construction and a running-gear setup optimised for agility and drivability. The 911 S/T weighs just 1,380 kilograms (DIN kerb weight, including all fluids), making it the lightest model of the 992 generation. The optional Heritage Design Package draws inspiration from the racing version of the 911 S from the late 1960s and early 1970s.

The design of the anniversary model incorporated GT and motorsport expertise from Porsche. This is reflected in its particularly nimble and agile handling, which is designed for maximum driving enjoyment on winding country roads. The reduction of rotating mass both in the engine as well as the wheels and brakes ensures particularly dynamic responsiveness. The S/T responds to driver commands instantaneously. Every steering movement, every ounce of pressure on the accelerator or brake is implemented immediately and with pinpoint precision. Unlike the 911 GT3 RS, the focus of the development of the 911 S/T has been not on track use, but rather for journeys on public roads.

The name marks out the new 911 S/T as the descendant of a particularly performance-focused version of the first 911 generation. From 1969, Porsche offered a special race version of the 911 S. Internally, these vehicles were called 911 ST. Modifications to the chassis, wheels, engine and body significantly improved acceleration, braking, traction and cornering grip. Large spoilers and other aerodynamic aids were not yet used in these models. The new 911 S/T takes up the spirit of the original 911 S (ST) and transfers it to the current model generation of the Porsche 911. The anniversary model combines elements of the 911 GT3 RS with the body of the 911 GT3 with Touring Package and supplements it with lightweight components specially developed for the 911 S/T. The result is a unique driving experience within the 911 GT portfolio.

Lightweight construction from the wings to the clutch

Among other measures, the 911 S/T achieves its particularly agile and direct handling through consistent lightweight design. The front bonnet, roof, front wings and the doors with their striking inlets are made of lightweight carbon-fibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP). The same applies to the roll cage, rear axle anti-roll bar and shear panel (stiffening element on the rear axle). Porsche also fits the anniversary model with magnesium wheels, the Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB) system, a lithium-ion starter battery and lightweight glass, all as standard. With reduced insulation, the omission of rear-axle steering and weight savings in the powertrain, the 911 S/T achieves a DIN kerb weight of just 1,380 kg. This makes the car, optimised for a fast-road setup, a further 40 kg lighter than a manual 911 GT3 Touring.

Porsche engineers developed a new lightweight clutch exclusively for the 911 S/T. In conjunction with a single-mass flywheel, it reduces the weight of the rotating mass by 10.5 kg. This noticeably improves the responsiveness of the naturally aspirated boxer engine, which now builds revs with especially bracing speed and directness. Coupled with a six-speed manual transmission with a shorter gear ratio than on the 911 GT3, the high-revving engine in the 911 S/T delivers even more immediacy in its dynamics. It propels the 911 S/T to 100 km/h in just 3.7 seconds and it achieves a top speed of 300 km/h for the track. The exhilarating driving experience is heightened by the compelling soundscape of the standard lightweight sports exhaust system. The 911 S/T is the only 911 of the current generation to combine a double-wishbone front-axle design with a multi-link rear axle without rear-axle steering. The dampers and control systems were tuned accordingly.

The aerodynamics of the 911 S/T are also optimised for the public road rather than the racing track. The anniversary model is equipped as standard with a Gurney flap on the extending rear spoiler. Standard equipment also includes 20-inch (front) and 21-inch (rear) lightweight centre-locking magnesium wheels. Ultra-high-performance 255/35 ZR 20 tyres, meanwhile, ensure a high level of mechanical grip at the front of the car. On the rear, the 911 S/T features 315/30 ZR 21 tyres. CFRP full bucket seats come as standard. The four-way-adjustable Sports Seat Plus is available at no extra charge. The instrument cluster and the clock of the Sport Chrono package are finished in a classic green Porsche colour scheme.

Heritage Design Package

The 911 S/T is offered with an optional exclusive Heritage Design Package. The new exterior colour Shoreblue Metallic and the wheel rim colour in Ceramica are exclusively available for this particularly elegant variant. On the doors, a starting number from 0 to 99 as well as a decorative foil can be applied on request.

The classic-design Porsche crest from the original 911 that adorns the front, the hub caps, the steering wheel, the headrests and the car key underscores the historic roots of the 911 S/T. The interior also features cloth seat centres in Classic Cognac with black pinstripes, which are another homage to heritage. Two-tone semi-aniline leather trim in Black/Classic Cognac leather with extensive leather surrounds, a roof lining in perforated Dinamica, and other elements from Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur round out the Package. The Porsche logo and the 911 S/T model designation on the rear of the car are in Gold.

Porsche Design is exclusively offering customers of the 911 S/T the opportunity to purchase a Chronograph 1 – 911 S/T. Featuring a titanium case, uncoated and blasted for weight-saving reasons, this exclusive timepiece goes all in on the lightweight design principle of the new purist 911 special edition. The heart of the chronograph is the Porsche Design WERK 01.240 with its COSC certification and flyback function. It is operated with a rotor in the design of the magnesium wheel of the 911 S/T.

In Australia, the new Porsche 911 S/T will additionally be equipped with a tyre fit set, LED main headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS), automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with rain sensor, front-axle lift system, ParkAssist system in the rear with reversing camera and digital radio.

A limited number of the new Porsche 911 S/T can now be ordered in Australia for $660,500*. The Heritage Design Package costs $36,760*. The Chronograph 1 – 911 S/T is available for $21,041.
Last of the 911 Heritage unobtainable cars. Kind of close to a 2016 911 R in most respects. 1963 S/T's to be made.
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      08-02-2023, 12:23 AM   #2
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Love it! Everything Porsche does with / to the 911 is spot on!
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      08-02-2023, 07:11 AM   #4
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Nice... if only the modern Porsche market wasn't just investment grade and strictly for enthusiasts, we might have something here.
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If only I could obtain one for less than $500k…one day a peasant like me will be able to actually acquire a new one. Until then I will continue to suffer by picking up the scraps of the rich in the used market.
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Lots of good stuff coming from Porsche in the past couple of years.
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      08-02-2023, 12:00 PM   #8
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I actually tend to agree, it's all a bit silly these ultra rare editions that are 4 times the price of a base Carrera which is already too much car for street driving.
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I'm sorry but I am honestly losing track (and interest) at all the 911's coming out. Regardless most seem to be stacked with ADM's and low allocations so I guess it wouldn't matter to me regardless.
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      08-02-2023, 03:32 PM   #11
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I'm sorry but I am honestly losing track (and interest) at all the 911's coming out. Regardless most seem to be stacked with ADM's and low allocations so I guess it wouldn't matter to me regardless.
The adms kill the interest of many Porsche enthusiasts. It is the only reason I have not purchased a GT3.
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This makes BMW look like they are severely missing the mark of what a sports car is. What does BMW stand for anymore?
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Agreed. I love the concept, but as others have noted, Porsche has really gone off the deep end with the pricing and exclusivity.

I'm pretty damn happy with the my base model 265hp 987.2 Cayman 6MT. It's fun as hell and way more car than I'm capable of in the turns. A little more straight line power under 4500rpms would be nice, but above that rpm, it's a total blast. Point being, most basic 911/Cayman/Boxsters are plenty for the majority of drivers. My Cayman weighs slightly less than this 911 S/T and I cannot imagine what 525hp would feel like. Jeez.
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A member on rennlist recently posted the price of a base 911 Carrera in the 1970s. Comparing an equivalent base Carrera today shows that base price appreciation has averaged approx 5% per year over those 4 or 5 decades. Not exorbitant imo for a company whose aim is to earn profit for its shareholders.

As long as Porsche sells “one fewer car than the market demands” (Blume’s stated strategy), their path will not change. ADMs therefore are more likely the future norm, than not.

If Porsche is “leaving the market behind”, another manufacturer will fill the gap. BMW and Genesis would be my guesses for this. If no new models enter the “gap” left by Porsche, it means that no market gap was created.

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This makes BMW look like they are severely missing the mark of what a sports car is. What does BMW stand for anymore?
How can we make it heavier with bigger intakes?
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This makes BMW look like they are severely missing the mark of what a sports car is. What does BMW stand for anymore?
I don't recall BMW ever competing with Porsche nor building cars on a sports car chassis... unless you mean the M1 from the 70s?
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I feel fortunate that I got my 911 before the Porsche dealers started screwing over their customers, including ones who had made several purchases. I don't want to give them any more of my money. When I bought my first Porsche, it was like they appreciated me as a customer, didn't try to do any funny business, and I came in and bought the car, very painless and amicable process. I did this several times.

I was offered a GT4RS allocation earlier this year (plus all the add-ons) but didn't want another cayman based car. I asked for a GT3 Touring allotment and after a few months, was contacted. I'd have to do the whole kabookie dance to get the full PPF at 2-3x above market price (and they do a crappy job), ceramic coat that doesn't hold up, and one of their Porsche Design watches for another 6-7k....and sign a piece of paper saying I won't flip the car (which I wouldn't but it's the principal of the matter).

At the end the car would have been about $30k above sticker so I just said no way and expressed my strong displeasure even after having transacted 4-5 Porsches with them. Haven't heard from them since. I think they have their handful of billionaires who buy cars every month and are satisfied with that.
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Honestly, I can't really get excited for a new quarter million dollar plus 911 variant that seem to pop up every other month. I get why they do it. And the cars themselves are amazing, but I feel like the magic is lost.
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I feel fortunate that I got my 911 before the Porsche dealers started screwing over their customers, including ones who had made several purchases. I don't want to give them any more of my money. When I bought my first Porsche, it was like they appreciated me as a customer, didn't try to do any funny business, and I came in and bought the car, very painless and amicable process. I did this several times.

I was offered a GT4RS allocation earlier this year (plus all the add-ons) but didn't want another cayman based car. I asked for a GT3 Touring allotment and after a few months, was contacted. I'd have to do the whole kabookie dance to get the full PPF at 2-3x above market price (and they do a crappy job), ceramic coat that doesn't hold up, and one of their Porsche Design watches for another 6-7k....and sign a piece of paper saying I won't flip the car (which I wouldn't but it's the principal of the matter).

At the end the car would have been about $30k above sticker so I just said no way and expressed my strong displeasure even after having transacted 4-5 Porsches with them. Haven't heard from them since. I think they have their handful of billionaires who buy cars every month and are satisfied with that.
This dealer sounds like the exact one I interacted with. For the 3RS:

1. $100k adm
2. full car ppf through them
3. ceramic coated interior and exterior
4. Prepaid maintenance
5. Extended warranty
6. Watch
7. Porsche Ice Experience for 2 (approximately 15k)

I didn't bother replying
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