Terrorist attack in Lower Manhattan - multiple dead

[zx10guy]

Before this thread gets too crazy and gets possibly locked, here's a different perspective about what some Muslims are doing:

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/inside-al-qaeda/

While I have some opinions on this situation about the religion, I do know there are those that are Muslim who are actively working to fight these radical animals. I hope this story I've linked to provides some balance in this argument.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by Kev312

This issue, among others, should be examined as rational vs. irrational. When innocent people are being slaughtered in our streets, I couldn't give a fuck about some groups emotions or them being encumbered by a fucking background check in order to enter our country.

The issue is what is included in a background check? I do agree that we are way too PC and it has taken over our ability to separate actual criminals from the masses, but we have to be realistic.

Background checks only account for prior criminal records. Many of these guys were criminally clean, not all, but many. The only thing that stood out was a few social media posts, or friends/people close to them who thought they might be a little strange. None of that can be checked by Home Depot when you rent a truck, or even when you buy a gun. If you have a clean record they don't search through all your Facebook posts and talk to all your friends before letting you buy one.

The terrorists aren't stupid, unfortunately. They aren't going to send some guy on the no-fly list into TSA with a bomb on him, or hit the same place twice. We have to figure out what creates these problems and stop it at the source. Think about how powerful social media agencies like Facebook are for a second, and how they can track information on pretty much everything you post, yet so many radical groups and their members still have the ability to post things and influence others...

[Banana Hammock]

Originally Posted by Bups

Do we even know if he's brown though? I say Aloha Snackbar all the time.

I do too. It lets the people at the buffet stations know I'm about to clean house.

[Kev312]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

The issue is what is included in a background check? I do agree that we are way too PC and it has taken over our ability to separate actual criminals from the masses, but we have to be realistic.

Background checks only account for prior criminal records. Many of these guys were criminally clean, not all, but many. The only thing that stood out was a few social media posts, or friends/people close to them who thought they might be a little strange. None of that can be checked by Home Depot when you rent a truck, or even when you buy a gun. If you have a clean record they don't search through all your Facebook posts and talk to all your friends before letting you buy one.

The terrorists aren't stupid, unfortunately. They aren't going to send some guy on the no-fly list into TSA with a bomb on him, or hit the same place twice. We have to figure out what creates these problems and stop it at the source. Think about how powerful social media agencies like Facebook are for a second, and how they can track information on pretty much everything you post, yet so many radical groups and their members still have the ability to post things and influence others...

Agreed. A "background check" is a catch all term which may include everything from the obvious prior criminal activity to known associations and political activity. It's never as easy as "a back ground check", however the point I was trying to make was that maybe we should be as circumspect about who we let enter our country as who we hire for a sensitive position, like say a preschool teacher, Boeing engineer, or armed security guard?

Their best weapon is to radicalize those who are already in country or even weak Americans, as we've seen, or maybe run them across our porous southern border.

Like certain groups are prone to say after a mass shooting event, we just need to do more and not be swayed by the emotional arguments.

[bbbbmw]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

The issue is what is included in a background check? I do agree that we are way too PC and it has taken over our ability to separate actual criminals from the masses, but we have to be realistic.

Background checks only account for prior criminal records. Many of these guys were criminally clean, not all, but many. The only thing that stood out was a few social media posts, or friends/people close to them who thought they might be a little strange. None of that can be checked by Home Depot when you rent a truck, or even when you buy a gun. If you have a clean record they don't search through all your Facebook posts and talk to all your friends before letting you buy one.

The terrorists aren't stupid, unfortunately. They aren't going to send some guy on the no-fly list into TSA with a bomb on him, or hit the same place twice. We have to figure out what creates these problems and stop it at the source. Think about how powerful social media agencies like Facebook are for a second, and how they can track information on pretty much everything you post, yet so many radical groups and their members still have the ability to post things and influence others...

Don't forget - the Obama Administration banned the screeners from checking any social media accounts. That's how the San Bernardino shooters got in, despite having radical Facebook stuff.

[Kev312]

Originally Posted by bbbbmw

Don't forget - the Obama Administration banned the screeners from checking any social media accounts. That's how the San Bernardino shooters got in, despite having radical Facebook stuff.

Zuckerberg's filter is only set on "Russian."

[YR430D]

Originally Posted by insanecoder

I would tend to agree with you there as "what goes around comes around"
but then theres the question of why the UK is always in tow and sometimes in lock-step.. ie the british politicians who are touting pre-emptive first-strike on North Korea and added two new aircraft carriers to the fleet....not exactly a homeage to peace

Makes me wonder sometimes just who is the tail and who is the head of the dog etc..

UK is a lapdog of the US as we saw during Bush and Blair’s era.

[bbbbmw]

Originally Posted by Kev312

Agreed. A "background check" is a catch all term which may include everything from the obvious prior criminal activity to known associations and political activity. It's never as easy as "a back ground check", however the point I was trying to make was that maybe we should be as circumspect about who we let enter our country as who we hire for a sensitive position, like say a preschool teacher, Boeing engineer, or armed security guard?

Their best weapon is to radicalize those who are already in country or even weak Americans, as we've seen, or maybe run them across our porous southern border.

Like certain groups are prone to say after a mass shooting event, we just need to do more and not be swayed by the emotional arguments.

Oh - and build a wall.

[Kev312]

Originally Posted by bbbbmw

Oh - and build a wall.

We already have a wall. Looks like this:

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by bbbbmw

Don't forget - the Obama Administration banned the screeners from checking any social media accounts. That's how the San Bernardino shooters got in, despite having radical Facebook stuff.

Stuff like this I don't understand. It is all public information. Employers check social media all the time, it isn't like they were invading privacy by doing so.

To all the whiners saying it is an invasion of privacy... Don't want people to know certain things about you? Don't post it on the internet, simple as that.

I've had numerous arguments with people my age (millennials) about this stuff and you can tell how far they usually think things through (usually not far). They want everyone to be "accepted", and for everything to be allowed, but then when something like this happens they don't understand why it is "allowed" to happen. You can't trust everyone. Sad, but true. The more people you blindly trust, the more likely you are to be taken advantage of. The problem is where do you draw the line? I've heard so many people my age say "well, that's what they believe, so we must accept them for who they are". Well we have to draw a line somewhere, otherwise everything becomes accepted. If someone "believes" it is okay to run me down with a truck for the sake of their religion, then I refuse to accept that and other sane people should too.

[YR430D]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I know there are a lot of Muslims out there, and I do tend to believe the majority have no desire to harm others personally...though I'm not so sure I buy into this "religion of peace" effort they're trying to portray. Especially since I seem to rarely read of attacks by Christians, Buddhists, etc....always seems to be Muslims.

That being said, what I can't believe is that none, absolutely none of this majority is aware of their youth or peers being radicalized and by whom is doing it. I just don't buy it. So I see them somewhat complicit by not reporting these people - especially the people who are molding impressionable minds to be terrorists. Cut the head off the snake and you remove the threat.

Do you agree - are they complicit? Or is that not their responsibility to police their own, because that would be like a big brother state where everyone is reporting on everyone?

There are more Americans killed though gun violence in the US than Muslim terrorists killing people in USA. Don’t belive everything you read in the media maybe try to open your mind somewhat.

As for Christian or Jewish or Bhuddist terrorists mate you really need to open your eyes!

[Kev312]

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[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by Kev312

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Pretty short too.

[YR430D]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

You're talking radical Islam, right? It would be easy to read this as just blanket Islam, which would be a comically stupid statement.

Clearly you understand the difference between the two. Same way there is radical Christians and Jews (orthodox) and then the Zionists who are radical.

[Kev312]

Originally Posted by YR430D

There are more Americans killed though gun violence in the US than Muslim terrorists killing people in USA. Don’t belive everything you read in the media maybe try to open your mind somewhat.

As for Christian or Jewish or Bhuddist terrorists mate you really need to open your eyes!

So? Some people need shooting

How many people die from alcohol related events? What about Rx meds? Anything else?

[TBN54]

Originally Posted by bbbbmw

Gee, I guess I'll have to tune into other news sources to find propaganda-free news. Where do you suggest we look?

Too far gone. You do some research on your end, I already did mine.

[SakhirM4]

Arrogance is such a wonderful tool

[Banana Hammock]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Pretty short too.

Judging by his height, maybe he can't see over the steering wheel?

[Kev312]

Originally Posted by pasghetti

Judging by his height, maybe he can't see over the steering wheel?

Maybe he was bullied. Maybe he has a micro penis. He deserved to be shot, but that is gun violence and we can't have that because kumbaya and peace bro.

[YR430D]

Originally Posted by TBN54

Sheep to the media. Majority of the people only believe what the news says and shows. Propaganda is used ALL THE TIME in the USA.

There does seem to be a lot of sheep who do not know about much outside of the US and what they are fed by the media.

[Banana Hammock]

Originally Posted by Kev312

Maybe he was bullied. Maybe he has a micro penis. He deserved to be shot, but that is gun violence and we can't have that because kumbaya and peace bro.

[shay2nak]

Surprised no one ran that piece of shit over with all the other cars around him as he ran.