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      05-03-2019, 08:14 PM   #1805
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Something often forgotten in an age when most companies seem to have no higher use for their capital than to return it to shareholders.
Peak capitalism?
Perhaps or perhaps a sign that it's a bit out of whack.

The textbooks would say that investors seek to see that their capital is deployed to its highest commercial use; invested in property, plant and equipment such that the value of the whole exceeds that of the sum of the parts.

Exactly what Musk is doing.

When a company borrows money to buy its own stock, it's adjusting its capital structure to maximize a tax deduction OR if its simply returning capital, it sees no ability to invest at a greater IRR than the broader economy.
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Something often forgotten in an age when most companies seem to have no higher use for their capital than to return it to shareholders.
Peak capitalism?
More likely a sign that it's a bit out of whack.

The textbooks would say that investors seek to see that their capital is deployed to its highest commercial use; invested in property, plant and equipment such that the value of the whole exceeds that of the sum of the parts.

Exactly what Musk is doing.

When a company borrows money to buy its own stock, it's adjusting its capital structure to maximize a tax deduction OR if its simply returning capital, it sees no ability to invest at a greater IRR than the broader economy.
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I find the Tesla to Amazon comparisons really strange. Amazon has created a business that I can't see anyone duplicating anytime soon and Tesla obviously has many competitors either out now or soon to be out that have many advantages over Tesla (distribution, profitable businesses, worldwide operations, huge plants and staff, etc)
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I find the Tesla to Amazon comparisons really strange. Amazon has created a business that I can't see anyone duplicating anytime soon and Tesla obviously has many competitors either out now or soon to be out that have many advantages over Tesla (distribution, profitable businesses, worldwide operations, huge plants and staff, etc)
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      05-05-2019, 04:50 PM   #1809
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What a "hater":

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Always happy to see replies like this one, confirmation that I am right and you agree but aren't willing to say it. Thanks!
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Always happy to see replies like this one, confirmation that I am right and you agree but aren't willing to say it. Thanks!
I believe you misunderstood, I agree totally with you, my post was in reference to those that don't agree.
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I believe you misunderstood, I agree totally with you, my post was in reference to those that don't agree.
I did misunderstand, thanks.
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Always happy to see replies like this one, confirmation that I am right and you agree but aren't willing to say it. Thanks!
Lol this still applies regardless. This is the, "I'm tired of having a productive discussion because I can't win it so I'm just going to make fun of them" reply.
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Einhorn is stands to profit off TSLA shorts. His actions are borderline unethical given his position.
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Einhorn is stands to profit off TSLA shorts. His actions are borderline unethical given his position.
Agree completely, if I stood to benefit financially from Tesla going down and had the ability to get the media I also might do the same thing. Same reason I don't believe Musk's nonsense is the same reason I don't believe Einhorn, both are saying what is in their best interest.

Edit - in the article posted is there even one fact presented to help prove any point. Only thing I know for sure is Einhorn benefits from Tesla going down and the two of them don't like each other. Really weak article but I guess it got what they wanted, I read it. Unfortunately too many are following their agenda and actual news is becoming rare.
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Agree completely, if I stood to benefit financially from Tesla going down and had the ability to get the media I also might do the same thing. Same reason I don't believe Musk's nonsense is the same reason I don't believe Einhorn, both are saying what is in their best interest.
Bingo, both are unethical.
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His actions are borderline unethical given his position.
do you feel musk's aren't?
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What a buffoon...

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His actions are borderline unethical given his position.
do you feel musk's aren't?
Depends on the instance. Musk has done some unethical things.
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Musk keeps moving that goal post
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Musk keeps moving that goal post
It's sad to watch...
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Musk's dream realized:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-deposits-open

Since so many on here state that he created the company just to force others into the EV world his dreams are now realized.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-deposits-open

Since so many on here state that he created the company just to force others into the EV world his dreams are now realized.

I hope the owners of the company (the stock holders) realize this is the ultimate goal and not to have a successful company.
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hahaha... it's BS in a green wrapper. none of the institutions that put up the seed money or investors set out to have their money turn into losses for the greater good.
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