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Porsche and Tesla face challenges with Consumer Reports

Tesla, Porsche Taycan snub by 'Consumer Reports' shows challenge facing EVs
Electric cars rank low in latest reliability survey while toying with new tech, while Mazda came out on top for the first time by staying the course
by GABRIELLE COPPOLA | 19 HOURS AGO


https://driving.ca/tesla/auto-news/n...nge-facing-evs

Consumer Reports’ latest auto-reliability survey has a sobering message for owners of the newest electric vehicles: You’re likely going to have some gripes.

Tesla’s new Model Y crossover failed to get a recommendation from the nonprofit because of what it described as “basic” manufacturing flaws such as misaligned body panels and mismatched colors.

One owner even reported finding human hair stuck in the paint job, Consumer Reports said in a statement about its member survey of more than 300,000 cars.

Below-average reliability assessments for both the Y and Model S sedan put Tesla second from last in the magazine’s overall automotive ranking. But it wasn’t alone among brands with electric-car woes.

Porsche’s Taycan, the Volkswagen-owned brand’s first foray into pure battery power, lost its recommendation because of the potential for finicky connectivity and infotainment technology. Consumer Reports is withholding further judgment until it collects more data. It also said sister VW unit Audi’s electric e-Tron SUV also rated “much worse than average” due to drive system and power equipment flaws.

Porsche said it looks forward to Consumer Reports’ evaluation of the Taycan once it has enough data to do so.

“However, we feel that judging the Taycan based on broader industry trends rather than specific data from the car is potentially misleading to consumers,” Marcus Kabel, a Porsche spokesman, said in an email.

First But Worst?

Automakers typically encounter the most glitches when they put new tech on a car for the first time. The latest crop of EVs may be particularly prone to flaws as they are the very first of dozens of new models expected to debut over the next three years.

Consumer Reports is predicting below-average reliability for a host of these new EVs, including Ford’s Mustang Mach-E, Daimler’s Mercedes EQC and Amazon.com-backed Rivian Automotive’s R1T pickup truck, said Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports’ senior director of automotive testing. He’s also reevaluating how he measures quality to adapt to the new electric era.

“They do have simplicity, no transmission or fuel system,” Fisher said of electric models. However, “EVs are new to the manufacturers and tend to be coupled with a lot of new tech, which is more opportunity for things to go wrong.”


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Tesla is unique in that it’s offered battery-powered cars for years, but most of its problems have to do with manufacturing 101, Fisher said. Of its four models, only the Model 3 sedan earned a coveted recommendation from Consumer Reports. The world’s most valuable carmaker ranked 25 out of 26 brands covered in the survey.

“They’re almost taking for granted the basics that car companies have to deal with,” Fisher said. “They need to take that stuff seriously too, and they could have a very compelling model lineup.”

Tesla Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk doesn’t see that as a long-term problem for his car brand. Tesla’s main competitive strength will be “primarily manufacturing” in the future. “This is counterintuitive, but I’m quite confident this will be what happens,” he said on Tesla’s third-quarter earnings call.

Tesla didn’t respond to an emailed request for comment.

Bottom-Scraping Explorer

Ford’s new CEO Jim Farley also has work to do on his company’s reliability scores. The Explorer SUV, whose botched launch at a Chicago plant dented earnings last year, was one of the lowest-scoring models of any manufacturer. Owners complained of transmission replacements, in-car electronics gremlins, problematic power equipment, and engine and body issues.

Ford’s premium Lincoln brand ranked dead last in the reliability survey because of the new Aviator and Corsair, which share a platform with the Explorer. Ford made a familiar mistake in trying to introduce too many new elements at the same time, Fisher said.

Mazda topped the ranking for the first time ever by adopting only modest redesigns, a path taken by larger Japanese peer Toyota and its luxury Lexus brand.
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That's always been a problem with CU; that they rely on their "members" for all the data.

Just how many pocket-protector-wearing CU members have actually ponied up what it takes to own a Taycan? I posit that most are Honda Civic owners and even when they stretch to the aspirational brands, they expect a reliability that can only be achieved with simplistic interfaces and electronics. Not that everyone shouldn't be held to the same standard, but what does your average Honda Civic owner know about a $100,000 Porsche, and what are their expectations? More importantly, how does that reaction from so few become a data point worth considering?
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That's always been a problem with CU; that they rely on their "members" for all the data.

Just how many pocket-protector-wearing CU members have actually ponied up what it takes to own a Taycan? I posit that most are Honda Civic owners and even when they stretch to the aspirational brands, they expect a reliability that can only be achieved with simplistic interfaces and electronics. Not that everyone shouldn't be held to the same standard, but what does your average Honda Civic owner know about a $100,000 Porsche, and what are their expectations? More importantly, how does that reaction from so few become a data point worth considering?
To be fair, it is "Consumer Reports". Your points are valid, but the article also points out that there isn't sufficient data on the Porsche yet and the comments on the Tesla aren't new. I think the salient point of the article is that EV's are for the most part a new animal and having growing pains.
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