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      02-09-2024, 03:37 PM   #23
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Go test drive one. I have an XM Label and I think the results will really surprise you. Every single XM that makes it to Houston sells within a matter of days or weeks. Is the vehicle misunderstood and was it mismarketed and too expensive? Absolutely, but that doesnít mean it isnít a beast of a vehicle - which it is. itís OK if you donít like it, but I urge you to go test drive one anyway. It really is a fun vehicle to drive.
From what I read and hear, the X5 M is a better performing car. Have you driven the new X5 M? Whatís your take on both?
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I'm not sure i see any relation between a mid engine super car and a big heavy SUV... Clearly BMW has made a choice that would satisfy the US and Chinese volume market over building a super car that would see much lower sales volume and even more development cost and bespoke parts. That's a sensible board decision and quite a boring one imho... but the goal is to make money .
porsche has multi year waiting lists for $250k+ gt3/rs where they make almost 50% gross profit on each meanwhile bmw is reselling M4s as M2s that weigh the same and apparently can't be bothered making a comparable GT car that can eat porsche's lunch? M division checked out a long time ago..

i also havent seen any totally positive reviews that werent entirely ad pieces of the XM. I've seen em, driven em, and while impressive for the size grossly overpriced for what they are. total whiff.
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A mid-engine BMW will generate more sales and boost the brand image much more than the XM.
Yeah, the thing is the people with the calculators figured out they can sell more of these to people writing them off (>6,000 lb GVW), and I believe it offsets emissions credits as well as a medium truck.

I'd love to see BMW go toe-to-toe with the 911, but for some reason they just don't seem interested.
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So they do know how to design attractive cars. I don't know if I feel better or worse knowing this.

It's one thing to have cars that are horrific to look at on reveal and evolve into "it's not good looking but it's bearable now" to just making something that looks great from the jump.
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Striking hybrid supercar, based on Vision M Next, was heavily inspired by the legendary M1



BMW designed a radical mid-engined hybrid supercar to succeed the i8 - but never put it into production.

Kept secret for four years but now revealed by BMW head designer Domagoj Dukec on social media, the i16 was a striking electrified supercar that could have been the M performance division's second bespoke model after the M1 supercar.

As it was, says Dukec, "the world changed in 2020" at the onset of the Covid pandemic, and "work on the project unfortunately had to be stopped".

BMW M has since revealed the XM hybrid SUV as its second bespoke product - a dramatically different proposition to the supercar revealed here.

It is a faithful evolution of the Vision M Next concept BMW revealed in 2019, albeit with some subtle revisions aimed at making it road-legal.

Dukec describes the car as having "all the style of a future classic", and notes the influence of the Guigiaro-designed M1 in its angular, cab-forward silhouette, vented rear arches and louvred engine lid.

The i16 was conceived to use the i8's composite structure Ė no doubt in a bid to cut development costs and thus bolster its viability as a production car Ė but it is not clear whether it would have used the same plug-hybrid powertrain.

The i8, BMW's first PHEV, paired a 1.5-litre turbocharged three-cylinder engine with an electric motor on the front axle for a total output of 356bhp and a 0-62mph time of 4.3 seconds - making it a natural rival to the Porsche 911.

A battery in the transmission tunnel gave an electric range of more than 30 miles in later cars.

It was produced from 2014 to 2020, being discontinued to make way for a new line of bespoke electric BMW models including the iX3, i4 and iX.

The Vision M Next hinted at what an i8 successor could look like, but plans to produce it were shelved over concerns about high R&D costs and low sales potential.

However, M boss Frank van Meel hinted to Autocar in 2022 that the door was not totally shut to the prospect of a new hybrid supercar: "Itís always something we can look at. As car guys, we are always dreaming of making such cars. It doesnít mean weíll make them, but we keep exploring those ideas.Ē

He said the concept's cancellation did not mean BMW was "not thinking of a super-sports car," tellingly adding that he was "always trying to figure out how it would work".





Source: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ssor-never-was



I see a Maserati Granturismo front.
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      02-09-2024, 05:44 PM   #28
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Why in the world did they make the XM instead of putting that same engine/setup mid engine in this thing.

Would have blown away XM sales.

I8 wasnít powerful enough which is what held it back. Super car looks and near price without the performance.
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      02-09-2024, 05:48 PM   #29
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Letís keep it real. There is zero chance the XM stands the test of time. There would have been near 100% chance that concept car would have. BMW has the F95/6, so the XM is a huge mystery to me. Part bin car (and by parts I mean the ones I have in my car!). Test platform for the hybrid drivetrain? Someone overdid their microdosing?. IDK. Germans are weird. It must have made sense on a spreadsheet.
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. Is the vehicle misunderstood and was it mismarketedÖ.
Thereís the problem. It needs marketing. A boat load of it.

Great stuff never needs marketing.
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Looks great. To those of you that keep dissing the XM as just the worst vehicle that was ever madeÖ. Have you actually ever driven one?

I have an XM Label and it astonishes me every time I drive it. As hard as this is to believe, it feels like itís an M5 inside of an X7 chassis. Sure itís not for everyone, but I urge you to go test drive one before hating on it so harshly. Itís an incredible vehicle.

It does not feel or drive like an SUV. Go test drive one and I think youíll be surprised.
Agreed, also an XM owner among other M models. It is easy to knock at the XM without actually knowing how it drives and it drives like a beast.

Possibly best SUV period. Why compare it to a slick future M car?
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OK, so hereís the deal. Itís attractive, but itís missing a sense of presence and sheer beauty that makes me want to run out sell all of my possessions so that I can buy this car.
Itís definitely not as ugly as their latest products, and I see a lot of design elements that are in the current mainstay design language, but I feel like this could be so much more.
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BMW should fire the people who decided to start the XM development. A mid-engine BMW will generate more sales and boost the brand image much more than the XM.

I Heard BMW only sold like 500 XM last year. Porsche is able to sell about 5000 gt3 per year.
2023 BMW XM sales number: 6750 car.

Unfortunately, BMW has sold more XM in 2023 than the Lamborghini Urus, Porsche Cayenne GT, Mercedes G Class combined.

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Agreed, also an XM owner among other M models. It is easy to knock at the XM without actually knowing how it drives and it drives like a beast.

Possibly best SUV period. Why compare it to a slick future M car?
Because most of us wished they dumped the same resources into a real Halo car.
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Because most of us wished they dumped the same resources into a real Halo car.
I also agree with that 😂

Fact is currently there is a halo car void @ bmw - hopefully sooner or later they wonít disappoint!
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Good looking car, no way BMW will make it these days.
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2023 BMW XM sales number: 6750 car.
Unfortunately, BMW has sold more XM in 2023 than the Lamborghini Urus, Porsche Cayenne GT, Mercedes G Class combined.
Being in Miami - I can tell you that every XM that sits at the South BMW dealer gets sold in a matter of days/weeks.

Those are strong numbers considering such a risky project on paper that at the end those that purchased it donít seem to regret it and enjoy it.

In my mind they delivered on an edgy different halo suv.
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The 2025 M5, which starts production this July, is bound to be an incredible vehicle with the same powerplant as the XM Label. I can only imagine how thatís going to feel with 738 hp in a 5-Series.
Like a bloated pig, I suspect. Would rather have a 738 hp EV.
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Like a bloated pig, I suspect. Would rather have a 738 hp EV.
I had an iX M60 for almost a year. Not nearly as fun to drive as the XM. Not even close.
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BMW should fire the people who decided to start the XM development. A mid-engine BMW will generate more sales and boost the brand image much more than the XM.

I Heard BMW only sold like 500 XM last year. Porsche is able to sell about 5000 gt3 per year.
Thatís one hell of a ridiculous correlation.
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I'm not sure i see any relation between a mid engine super car and a big heavy SUV... Clearly BMW has made a choice that would satisfy the US and Chinese volume market over building a super car that would see much lower sales volume and even more development cost and bespoke parts. That's a sensible board decision and quite a boring one imho... but the goal is to make money .
BMW is a volume company. Your argument/complaint has been present for over twenty years. BMWís base doesnít want a supercar.
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How come every time BMW designs a halo car, it looks like a 1980s calculator? I understand respecting the past, but they can do better than thatÖ
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Looks great. To those of you that keep dissing the XM as just the worst vehicle that was ever madeÖ. Have you actually ever driven one?

I have an XM Label and it astonishes me every time I drive it. As hard as this is to believe, it feels like itís an M5 inside of an X7 chassis. Sure itís not for everyone, but I urge you to go test drive one before hating on it so harshly. Itís an incredible vehicle.

It does not feel or drive like an SUV. Go test drive one and I think youíll be surprised.
That price tho yikes. My X6M comp just as good and for $60k less
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Shhhh stop talking bad about XMs. The few XM owners on here have a real need to justify why they bought one and constantly try to convince others they are the best BMW ever. Congrats to them though because they definitely can twist any thread topic into a XM is the best debateÖthatís a real skill.

But what do I knowÖ I own only inferior BMWs according to them
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