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03-01-2023, 02:51 PM | #25 | |
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Then you look at how lithium batteries are made… good lord all we’re doing is moving our pollution from the road to third world countries… it’s extremely toxic to people and the environment… they have an estimated lifetime of 10 years before needing replacement and then you have all these used lithium batteries to deal with that we’ll probably end up shipping to third world countries to take apart and get the usable lithium out for recycling. Unless battery technology changes drastically I can’t see batteries alone as a long term solution. We’d be better off with cleaner burning low emissions ICE vehicles or IMO Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. |
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Now the real kicker, the car is just a Model S 60. It has 160miles of range at 90% charge. We use it to commute to work and nothing else and it is perfect for that. Electric cars aren't ready for people that drive 300miles every day, don't have a garage, rent one, or want to take their EV on a road trip that is for sure.... People that buy an electric car in those situations are currently doing it wrong IMO. It is fine to want EVs to be perfect for all use cases but most people could use an EV just fine if they had a cheaper second car. Instead they want to spend $100k on an electric car that can go 400miles instead of $40k on one that goes 200 and say $30k on another ICE car.... Of course this assumes parking space for two cars but again most people that make this argument seem to have 2 ICE cars while waiting for the magic EV to arrive anyway! Sure we should push for more range, more charging stations, etc but I really feel that that is overblown and not a problem for most people. I have had this conversation with coworkers who say "but there are no chargers" and I say "when would you even use one?" Having a charging station at work would be great (I would probably stop charging at home and let work pay for it). Basically this means that EVs aren't ready for people that have just one car and need to regularly drive long distances, take road trips, etc but they are just fine the rest of the time. This whole notion of taking EVs on a road trip or renting one doesn't compute to me other than trying to act cool. It is like owning a Z4 as your only car and then complaining about how it doesn't work well on family road trips... It just is not the right car for that... If you need more than 2 seats and want a Z4 then you need another car to pair it with! If you go on a road trip and only own an EV then rent a freaking ICE minivan and save the wear and tear on your EV! I have an old X5 for that (oh wait, an old BMW for road trips might not be the best option now that I think about it). Back on subject... I agree with the concept of Semis running on Hydrogen more than cars, the tuckers can be trained to deal with it better, they have the room for it on the platform, etc. Hydrogen in the form of CH4 (natural gas) makes more sense to me especially if it can be generated from carbon and hydrogen. -Rich
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Shareholders should be angry over this fascination with hydrogen.
Hydrogen is a non-starter for so many technical reasons. No ,1: It requires more energy to create than what it can produce. No 2:. Cleaner forms of production are decades away from reaching scale. No 3:. This is the most important piece. It can only be transported via truck and is continually lost to the atmosphere while in transport. It's kinda silly to concentrate on Hydrogen when they it's made with NatGas. Why no use NatGas? It can be transported via pipeline, is cheap, doesn't require super insulated tanks, and is easy to fuel. Ohh that's right. CO2. *eye roll*
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So you had a puddle of water in your garage. Gaseous hydrogen tanks also vent. I don't know the rate.
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Hydrogen requires a tremendous amount energy to store.
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Not in liquid form lAgain it'll never happen unless you get nuclear involved.
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Spending billions on new infrastructure for hydrogen is a ridiculous waste of money when the existing electrical grid is already available. 100 fold improvement from nothing is still nothing. There are plenty of articles showing that hydrogen is a fairytale full of wishful thinking full of fantastical assumptions. It's kinda like California's recently announced climate plan. Until that changes BMW and Toyota shouldn't be wasting resources when they have more important things to worry about such as keeping their doors open.
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Ya well we know about hydrogen. But hey as long as there's free money available. Some engineers somewhere can use it justifying their existence.
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