Lewis vs. Max

[MKSixer]

This conversation/argument has been taking place in almost every other F1 thread, particularly those about HAM. I'm an unabashed and unapologetic Lewis Hamilton fan. I've been watching his career since 2004/2005 and F1 in general for over 45 years.

There are those here that are unapologetic Max Verstappen fans and I actually have no problem with that.

Where my problem exist is that a narrative exist that Max is a candidate for GOAT after 9 wins, 2 poles and 30 odd podiums in 5+ years on Formula One and is better than Lewis as a driver. In my estimation, it isn't reasonable to say he is a candidate for GOAT since he has no WDCs and many other parameters.

Here is the ask of the thread. Who is better...Lewis or Max and provide EVIDENCE of why that is so. "I just think he is" won't get the job done.

Thread/Forum meltdown in 3, 2, 1...

Edit: HAM on top, VER second.

[5.M0NSTER]

Good way to settle a war of opinion. This way when others post opinion articles about who is better, you can just point back to this poll. I see the strategy in the low IQ F1 thread field. Well plaid sir.

[ramman434]

I stay out of this, and have been watching F1 on/off for only 10+ years. Max is a great driver, but as many of the F1 threads on here have posted up in the debates between the two, statistics don't lie. HAM is the better driver.

We can see where Max compares in another 5+ years, but right now, it's not close. Not even when you compare each driver's 1st few years.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Good way to settle a war of opinion. This way when others post opinion articles about who is better, you can just point back to this poll. I see the strategy in the low IQ F1 thread field. Well plaid sir.

Indeed. It was getting a bit tiresome watching each thread descend into Lewis vs. Max.

Let's see how this nightmare, er, experiment goes.

[minn19]

I'll predict the score. A lot for HAM and two for VER in the end.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by minn19

I'll predict the score. A lot for HAM and two for VER in the end.

Damn straight. And those 2 contribute 80% of useless garbage on the F1 threads, aimed at promoting misguided F1 political view points. Then the remaining posts are others arguing against them.

This is the definition of PROPAGANDA.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by minn19

I'll predict the score. A lot for HAM and two for VER in the end.

I'm not condoning your trolling but I'm laughing my ass off about it!!

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Damn straight. And those 2 contribute 80% of useless garbage on the F1 threads, aimed at promoting misguided F1 political view points. Then the remaining posts are others arguing against them.

This is the definition of PROPAGANDA.

Lol!!!

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ramman434

I stay out of this, and have been watching F1 on/off for only 10+ years. Max is a great driver, but as many of the F1 threads on here have posted up in the debates between the two, statistics don't lie. HAM is the better driver.

We can see where Max compares in another 5+ years, but right now, it's not close. Not even when you compare each driver's 1st few years.

Nicely stated. Potential, yes. Actually better than HAM, no.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'm not condoning your trolling but I'm laughing my ass off about it!!

Gotta have some fun here and there.

Funny thing is you know I'm more of a VET fan than HAM. But, some things just become obvious as time goes on.

I like VER, but I don't think anything is guaranteed him. We've got Renault, McLaren and even Racing Point/AR all really stepping up their game. Ferrari won't be down forever. Then drivers like LEC, SAI, ALB, GAS and even RIC that could still take that next step with one of those teams. Not to mention some unnamed phenom that still hasn't been discovered. Also who knows how these rule changes are going to shake things up.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by minn19

Gotta have some fun here and there.

Funny thing is you know I'm more of a VET fan than HAM. But, some things just become obvious as time goes on.

I like VER, but I don't think anything is guaranteed him. We've got Renault, McLaren and even Racing Point/AR all really stepping up their game. Ferrari won't be down forever. Then drivers like LEC, SAI, ALB, GAS and even RIC that could still take that next step with one of those teams. Not to mention some unnamed phenom that still hasn't been discovered. Also who knows how these rule changes are going to shake things up.

I know! That is why I find it so hilarious!!

I agree with you that a performance convergence is on the horizon and I hope that we can see a real battle for the front. Which I think will still result in a HAM WDC!!

Cheers-mk

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I know! That is why I find it so hilarious!!

I agree with you that a performance convergence is on the horizon and I hope that we can see a real battle for the front. Which I think will still result in a HAM WDC!!

Cheers-mk

What a fool believes

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

What a fool believes

Evidence based.

You're the King of Wishful Thinking. VER won't have any type of ascension until HAM retires. This is the long and short of it.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Evidence based.

You're the Kind of Wishful Thinking. VER won't have any type of ascension until HAM retires. This is the long and short of it.

We'll see about that when HAM loses his secret toys.

[racerbruce]

-HAM was born 7 January 1985 to a white British mother and a black British father
-HAM self-identifies as black
-MBE (Most Excellent Order of the British Empire)
-First and only black driver in F1
-2007 F1 rookie year HAM finished P3 at the first race of the season at the Australia GP
-2007 F1 rookie year HAM finished on the podium in 9 consecutive races, an F1 record
-2007 F1 rookie year finished 2nd to RAI by only one point
-2008 with only one full year of experience at F1 HAM wins the F1 WDC
-2008 F1 WDC was the then youngest F1 pilot in F1 history
-2020 it appears HAM will tie SCH with an unprecedented 7 F1 WDC's
-2020 Time Magazine one of the 100 most influential people globally
-HAM's exploits in environmental, social, music and activism
-HAM's advocating for greater diversity in F1
-All time record holder for F1 pole positions
-David Coulthard declared Hamilton the best driver of his generation, calling him "the Ayrton Senna of his era"
-2015, HAM was ranked as the richest British sportsperson, with an estimated personal fortune of £88 million


Drop the mic....

[///M Power-Belgium]

In other words ...W11 vs RB16 ?

Poll ?

[Chappers 71]

I voted max because I prefere him over lewis, obviously I don't know either of them personally but from what I see of them on telly.

The stats clearly show that lewis is the more successful driver but if they were to be team mates & both given equal standing within a team my money would be on max.

[minn19]

Hey they got 3!

[Chappers 71]

Originally Posted by minn19

Hey they got 3!

There's always those amongst us that support the most successful driver/football/hockey/American 'football'/whatever team/sports person just because they lack something in their own moral fibre

It takes a REAL man to support an underdog

[SenorFunkyPants]

Verstappen couldn't even beat Ricciardo...how is he supposed to be better than Hamilton?

[racerbruce]

-VER was born 30 September 1997 to a Dutch father and a Belgian mother
-VER began karting at age 4
-VER competed in the Rotax Max Miniclass and was champion in 2006
-VER won the Dutch Minimax and Belgian Cadet championships in 2007
-VER won the Flemish Minimax and Belgian KF5 championship in 2009
-VER finished second in the World Karting KF3 championship in 2010
-VER won the WSK World Series in 2010
-VER won the WSK Euro Series in 2011
-VER won the WSK Master Series in 2012
-VER won the South Garda Winter Cup in 2012
-VER won the KF and KZ championships in 2013
-VER won the World KZ championship in 2013, the highest karting category
-VER competed in F1 for the first time in 2014
-VER was the youngest ever full time F1 pilot in 2015
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to lead a lap during a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to set fast lap during a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to score points during a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest driver to secure a podium in a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest F1 GP winner
-VER is the youngest multiple F1 GP winner
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to wing the same GP multiple times
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to win the same GP in successive years
-VER has achieved 9 F1 wins
-VER has achieved 2 F1 pole positions
-VER has achieved 9 F1 fast laps
-VER has achieved 39 F1 podiums
-VER has achieved 3 F1 WDC 3rd place finishes

Drop the mic....

[EdM5]

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

There's always those amongst us that support the most successful driver/football/hockey/American 'football'/whatever team/sports person just because they lack something in their own moral fibre

It takes a REAL man to support an underdog

I root for everyone but HAM (or MB) to win on Sundays.

Who I or you support doesn't mean he isn't one of the greatest/if not the greatest of all time. He is obviously better than VER career vs career now.