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08-07-2013, 01:07 PM | #46 | |
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IRL AWD is for safety to deal with snow and rain, and at most allows boy racers to beat people off the line at traffic lights. But it SUCKS balls in term of feel /driver enjoyment. Like Tonka said, it's like trying to have sex with a chick who is constantly trying to do the opposite of whatever you are doing. One set of wheels to to drive, one set to steer, ok? AWD is like tranny sex.. and I hate Audi ![]() |
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08-07-2013, 01:13 PM | #48 | |
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08-07-2013, 01:20 PM | #49 | |
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tranny sex is like AWD..... |
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08-07-2013, 01:35 PM | #51 |
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08-07-2013, 04:08 PM | #54 | |
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08-07-2013, 04:24 PM | #55 |
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Stupid argument
Strictly talking about performance - it's pretty much the same argument for driving in the snow.
An AWD and a RWD car will: -Stop in the same distance -Have the same amount of grip in turns (as determined by the tires) Several posts in this thread have stated this. AWD will have the advantage accelerating, that's all; it gets you moving from a stop. On a racetrack, it may help you power out of corners earlier depending on the car. There is definitely a use-case; I'm sure AWD is a worthwhile option depending on the location (Alaska, Wisconsin, &c). The blissful ignorance amongst people buying cars in this country though think AWD is some sort of magic that makes the car perform better in all conditions. Simply untrue. AWD is a placebo feel-good option in most cases I observe.
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08-07-2013, 04:32 PM | #56 | |
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an AWD car will always stop with a longer brake distance due to added weight.
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08-07-2013, 04:48 PM | #57 |
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The worlds fastest cars are still rwd(also on the Nordschleife)956, Radical, Gumpert, ZR1, Viper etc.
And/but on difficult surfaces(snow/ice/gravel and rainy conditions) a good awd system can come in very handy, like here in the Rally of Finland. Only 315BHP and AWD. You can't fly faster than this over those gravel roads. BTW who cares about NASCAR, Indy, GT, LM, Supercars or even F1 now ![]() Thanks Joost for this footage man! ![]() And no I didn't see any guy named Ken Block. Because he isn't worth this kind of sport, sorry. Cheers Robin Last edited by Robin_NL; 08-07-2013 at 04:59 PM.. |
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08-07-2013, 05:56 PM | #58 | |
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I don't see how I am the uneducated one, you may want to go back and verify you can complete a simple sentence before you talk about education. I'm satisfied to the fact that you can't comprehend the purpose of why an AWD system was invented in the first place. In 1893 Bramah Diplock (sp?) invented the first "AWD" system. I'm sure you're asking why. To create a vehicle that could tackle road ways and surfaces that were not paved. It reduced power and added weight back then, and it does the same now, which may lead to a resulting lack of power compared to a RWD vehicle. Please go on about lacking education, please. |
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08-07-2013, 06:16 PM | #59 | |
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The argument about making the AWD cars lighter isn't viable because you could also strip and lighten the RWD car. That's the same argument where someone says that they can make a honda civic is faster than an M3. Which is a true statement.....unless the same mods are done to the M3. ![]() I am in the camp that believes the AWD option is more or less a marketing gimmick that is probably a 75% profit margin option for the manufacture. My M3 offers more confidence than my AWD 911GTS4. I sooooo wish i would have just got the 911GTS. I'm quite sure it would be a much better driver. This is of course due Porsche trying to overcome the grip physics problem by only having the front wheels come on when "needed". This usually happens in the middle of a turn and if you haven't all of a sudden lost turning grip in the middle of a turn; it's not fun. Only if you're really into the trottole will the extra propulsion grip help you out, marginally. This doesn't happen though because as soon as you lose turning grip your instinct is to let off the throttle to let the front tires regain grip. it's just bad in this particular case. If you're driving at 9/10ths all the time it feels fine but that's near impossible on the street. ![]() I'm RWD all the way, all the time. The only tires i want breaking loose are the rear ones. ![]()
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08-07-2013, 07:40 PM | #61 | |
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See: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...riction-circle If you ask the tire to give 20% more propulsion, you'll be hit with MORE than a 20% loss of cornering grip. When you exit a corner with AWD, you need to be straightening the wheel at a faster rate than you roll on the throttle, or you'll get tons of understeer. Of course this is made even worse due to the weight transfer off the front as you accelerate. Warning: really understanding the friction circle, and how weight transfer affects it's shape, may lead to people approaching you between sessions at a track day, and asking you silly questions about what kind of camber plates you are running, since you MUST have some as they cant keep up with you in the twisty bits. ![]() |
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08-07-2013, 09:36 PM | #62 | |
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I remember one track day when 3 guys, driving a NSX, Viper and Calloway Vette approaching me to ask about the turbo set up on my 1985 supra. They were less than thrilled to find out that my car was turbo-less and only produced 185hp..... at the crank. They were less than thrilled because i was consistently lapping the Sebring long course about 18 to 20 seconds faster than each of them. I was even able to lap them in one of our 30 minute sessions.
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08-07-2013, 11:50 PM | #65 | |
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