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      05-28-2019, 01:56 PM   #419
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A pet is a living creature, not a thing you simply dispose of when broken. How can you know about your dog's wishes? Or feelings: it should be glad to see you. Don't misinterpret her feelings fatally wrong, at least! They do have effective (after surgery) pain relief drugs for humans (I know that from experience) so why not for animals? You'd better discuss your concerns with the veterinarian you trust to take care of your dog (or just another one as a precaution), perhaps.

You did not give your dog a life, why would you take it away (and even if you had that wouldn't mean you'd still own it)? You should be dead sure death is the only solution to proceed with that shit. If you love your dog don't deprive it of a chance to survive. If you don't, why would you bother to make decisions for it? Decide for yourself as a responsible dog owner or something, but don't do it from emotional standpoint, driven by guesses (or fears). Fighting for love and life is a worthy endeavour. Giving up without trying is bullshit.
Thank you!

Just last week, I'm amazed at how she still gets the zoomies at almost 8 years old. Then she's having some trouble walking. I wait a day and she's not eating, not drinking, hiding under the bed (NEVER done that before) and won't even look at me. So I take her in to ER. They find a painful spot, give her pain meds and prednisone and say watch her. Next day she has no motor control of hind quarters, so I take her back and they recommend immediate surgery, since she still has a response to pain on the pads. I agonized because I was afraid the wife would nix anything over $1000, but we dropped a deposit of 6k and they did the surgery.

QUALITY of life is at least as important as quantity. I'm giving her a chance, I'm just confused when it's time to let go and not put her thru more misery to postpone my own loss.

So far, I lack the ability to communicate to her that I"m doing this for her to get better and stay with us longer, nor to tell her she can't come home with us until she can pee.
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A pet is a living creature, not a thing you simply dispose of when broken. How can you know about your dog's wishes? Or feelings: it should be glad to see you. Don't misinterpret her feelings fatally wrong, at least! They do have effective (after surgery) pain relief drugs for humans (I know that from experience) so why not for animals? You'd better discuss your concerns with the veterinarian you trust to take care of your dog (or just another one as a precaution), perhaps.

You did not give your dog a life, why would you take it away (and even if you had that wouldn't mean you'd still own it)? You should be dead sure death is the only solution to proceed with that shit. If you love your dog don't deprive it of a chance to survive. If you don't, why would you bother to make decisions for it? Decide for yourself as a responsible dog owner or something, but don't do it from emotional standpoint, driven by guesses (or fears). Fighting for love and life is a worthy endeavour. Giving up without trying is bullshit.

I agree with pretty much everything said here, but I do think some external influences can affect those decisions. One being age of the animal, the other being quality of life afterwards.

Now if you are only delaying the inevitable, I don't think you should make a decision based on being selfish.

This coming from an animal lover, and a parent who lost a child that could have had more treatment and procedures, but would have only extended his life by a few months.
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I agree with pretty much everything said here, but I do think some external influences can affect those decisions. One being age of the animal, the other being quality of life afterwards.

Now if you are only delaying the inevitable, I don't think you should make a decision based on being selfish.

This coming from an animal lover, and a parent who lost a child that could have had more treatment and procedures, but would have only extended his life by a few months.


Frick dude - I don't know you or this child, but as a father that brought a tear to my eye anyhow. I'm no father of the year, and I lose it on my kids from time to time, but I cannot imagine losing one of them.

I'm truly sorry for what you had to go through, and probably still are.
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So, when is enough too much?

We elected surgery with an 80% chance of restored control of the hind legs. I went to see my Princess Leah last night, took her a dirty shirt to remind her of me. She had tears in her eyes, but I don't think dogs even cry. I sure did after I left.

I want to be positive, but I'm deathly afraid that we simply are making her last few days of life a living hell, and we never should have let them cut her open, just gently send her into the long good night.
I don't know what to tell you - you went with your gut, which is all you could do. Keep in mind we all feel like crap post-op, so why would she feel any different? Give it a few days, make sure they are giving pain medication and not trying to cheap out by not doing so and telling you they did.

If after a week or two, there is no improvement and she looks rough, you might need to take her back to understand why. If her quality of life is forever changed to be a lot worse and she's in pain, then I think you know it is time to let go.

BBQ a nice meal for her. I plan on doing that for my dog when I eventually have to send him off. Actually, he's getting a preview of his meal this summer...I have a freezer burnt tomahawk steak weighing in at over 2 pounds that I'm going to toss on the grill for him and let him go to town. He's going to think he died and went to heaven.
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Thank you!

Just last week, I'm amazed at how she still gets the zoomies at almost 8 years old. Then she's having some trouble walking. I wait a day and she's not eating, not drinking, hiding under the bed (NEVER done that before) and won't even look at me. So I take her in to ER. They find a painful spot, give her pain meds and prednisone and say watch her. Next day she has no motor control of hind quarters, so I take her back and they recommend immediate surgery, since she still has a response to pain on the pads. I agonized because I was afraid the wife would nix anything over $1000, but we dropped a deposit of 6k and they did the surgery.

QUALITY of life is at least as important as quantity. I'm giving her a chance, I'm just confused when it's time to let go and not put her thru more misery to postpone my own loss.

So far, I lack the ability to communicate to her that I"m doing this for her to get better and stay with us longer, nor to tell her she can't come home with us until she can pee.
Your experience is exactly what we went through with Sophie, our 7 year old doxie, back in November of last year. Sounds like your dog had IVDD? We made the decision on the spot, without question, to do the surgery. By the time you add up all the bills including follow up visits and a couple PT visits it was $10k all in. She was clearly in more pain before the surgery than after so from that perspective, even though we put her under the knife it brought immediate pain relief. I'm sure she was pretty frightened those 3 days she had to stay in the hospital after the surgery, but she was heavily medicated and well looked after so I really dont think it was all that bad.

Was it worth it? 100% yes. She's totally recovered and doing great. She's her old self again. Here she is enjoying life over memorial day, contemplation a swim and smelling the flowers in a field with her big sister.

Keep us posted on how the recovery is coming along.


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Frick dude - I don't know you or this child, but as a father that brought a tear to my eye anyhow. I'm no father of the year, and I lose it on my kids from time to time, but I cannot imagine losing one of them.

I'm truly sorry for what you had to go through, and probably still are.
Thanks man. It was a rough...son was born with a terminal illness and brain damage. He passed right before his 4th birthday.

But we made sure that anything we did was benefiting him and not us. I look at it as he is in a better place than I am, and there is always something positive that comes from these situations.

It was what drove my daughter (his big sister) into the medical field, and he impacted everyone that met him.
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Thanks man. It was a rough...son was born with a terminal illness and brain damage. He passed right before his 4th birthday.

But we made sure that anything we did was benefiting him and not us. I look at it as he is in a better place than I am, and there is always something positive that comes from these situations.

It was what drove my daughter (his big sister) into the medical field, and he impacted everyone that met him.
May I ask whether you knew he would have this condition before he was born?
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QUALITY of life is at least as important as quantity.
Some lead what can appear a very low quality life. You should have some respect (otherwise someone might underestimate your life quality as well as find you've had enough quantity too).

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Now if you are only delaying the inevitable, I don't think you should make a decision based on being selfish.
Death is inevitable. Deciding for others looks rather selfish by itself.
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Some lead what can appear a very low quality life. You should have some respect (otherwise someone might underestimate your life quality as well as find you've had enough quantity too).
In all seriousness, I truly hope they do. So I'm not taking lightly the decision, nor am I making a decision I wouldn't want someone to make for me as well, based on my valuation of quality of life.

Yesterday I went for a run, I ran past this couple, struggling along the sidewalk, one in a wheelchair. I put myself in his position and would be pissed/envious of the guy running by.
When my mom couldn't walk any more, I would tell her I was running for her. The vision I had after she passed was of her, in a new place with her freaky new spirit/animal friend that would land on my mom's toe, then mom would flex her leg to bring it up to eye level, and to show it off to me. My interpretation of her heavenly reward was the release of pain, the ability to again move.

Please, if you have more insight/ideas to share, I welcome hearing them.
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May I ask whether you knew he would have this condition before he was born?
Sure. His situation was not expected. His mother suffered a complete placenta abruption.

By the time we made it to the hospital, he had been without oxygen for 60 minutes or longer. Had I not left work earlier than normal that day, it would have been longer. Aside from that, I still almost lost them both at the time.

But by then, the damage was done and irreversible.
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Some lead what can appear a very low quality life. You should have some respect (otherwise someone might underestimate your life quality as well as find you've had enough quantity too).



Death is inevitable. Deciding for others looks rather selfish by itself.

I'm aware of that. But I disagree with the last part in some cases. Deciding to prolong agony that will lead to only a slight bit more time for one's own benefit is as selfish as one can be in my eyes.

Now maybe I painted my prior comment with too wide of a brush stroke, but I meant it only for certain/special circumstances.
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Hamilton the beast goes in for shots and a hair cut on Monday. I understand that none of you know the personality of the orange, hairy, Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde-esque, psychopath that allows me to live in my house with him; but I'm considering taking bets on A.) How badly he F's up the groomer and B.) Length of time it takes he or she to determine that Hamilton needs to be sedated for said groomery.

For real, this gentle giant turns into the cat equivalent of the Tasmanian Devil when he sees a brush and I saw first hand what he did to the last groomer; not to mention Hamilton is the reason she no longer grooms cats. I almost want to take the day off work to watch. Should be better than most PPV boxing.
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Do you WARN them about Ham-manian devil before booking the appointment? Who does the shots?
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Figured I would post up one of our previous pets. He was an Artic Wolf / Husky "Hybrid" and although I don't know the %...he was huge. Weighed almost 100lbs by 1 year of age.

I was looking through some old photos, and found it.

Great dog with a very mild temperament even though he looked pretty menacing.
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Digging Ham-manian devil!! Keeping that one! Each of my friends has a different nick-name for him. Ham-bone, bro-ham, ham & cheese, ham-hock, etc.

The vet does the shots and the grooming, so it's a one stop shop, but it's two different individuals. This will be the first time he's been groomed at the vet though. Boy are they in for an exciting visit. Honestly though, it's a vet clinic; I'm sure they see it all the time.

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Figured I would post up one of our previous pets. He was an Artic Wolf / Husky "Hybrid" and although I don't know the %...he was huge. Weighed almost 100lbs by 1 year of age.

I was looking through some old photos, and found it.

Great dog with a very mild temperament even though he looked pretty menacing.
Beautiful animal!!!

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She peed last night! NORMALLY, that would be a cause for concern, possibly looking for a trainer to stop such actions. But when she is coming out of spinal surgery, it means she is a few steps closer to coming home!!!

My son showed up to visit about 30 minutes after I had left. The Dr. went thru the CT scan, and demonstrated the basics of how we were going to need to express her bladder, but he said she was still not full so he couldn't actually demonstrate. My son texted us all "Happy dog who just peed on me"

Maybe she DID understand what I was telling her that she needs to be able to pee before she can come home.
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Video forthcoming, or do we have to wait for AFV? At least a story?
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At least a story....I hope. I'll definitely get pics of his fancy-ass lion haircut posted up come Monday.
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Please, if you have more insight/ideas to share, I welcome hearing them.
First off, good for you to spend the $$ on your loved ones.

I have almost 2 decades working in rehab, and the last 10 with SCI - recovering from spinal surgery almost always sucks, but it sounds like it was a fairly routine procedure if they gave you 80% odds. Most of those types of procedure will end up with big functional improvements, definitely worth it at the 3-month mark or so (I DK dog healing times well).

I am confused by some of the posters here, but I personally believe that animals deserve the kindness of euthanasia if/when they are just in agony or unable to have any quality of life (and being in a paralyzed or incontinent state would usually count for that). I'd hope to have the same options myself, and if I couldn't talk, I'd be glad that my friends stepped in to do it for me.

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