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This is literally what Trump's Presidency/ re-election campaign is based on. A few old ideas and if anyone says anything against them (even in his own party/supporters) resort to attack mode.
Absolutely correct. Only one candidate goes around giving everyone demeaning nicknames.
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Absolutely correct. Only one candidate goes around giving everyone demeaning nicknames.
Playful names is much better then calling someone a racist or hitler and spending 4 years smearing him and his family and lining up false charge after false charge. Hell even right now during the impeachment the democrats are digging up other Avenue to try and impeach him due to the ukraine narrative falling apart.


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Absolutely correct. Only one candidate goes around giving everyone demeaning nicknames.
Playful names is much better then calling someone a racist or hitler and spending 4 years smearing him and his family and lining up false charge after false charge. Hell even right now during the impeachment the democrats and digging up other Avenue to try and impeach him due to the ukraine narrative falling apart.
One has to wonder where you're getting your information from, to think the Ukraine impeachment hearings are falling apart.

I'm watching the hearings, live, and although today's testimony is not as damning so far as other testimony, things are going very badly for Mr. Trump.
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Playful names is much better then calling someone a racist or hitler and spending 4 years smearing him and his family and lining up false charge after false charge. Hell even right now during the impeachment the democrats and digging up other Avenue to try and impeach him due to the ukraine narrative falling apart.
You're right. Lindsey Graham did say Trump is a race-baiting xenophobe who doesn't represent the republican party. Have you had your head in the sand for the 8 years when Obama was called reprehensible names, many of which were overtly racist? Didn't our current president launch a campaign to discredit the birth certificate of then-president Obama? Do you not see this type of behavior as being beneath the prestige of the office of president of the United States? That's a representative you're proud of?
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No man is clean or an angel but Trump according to our legal system and our core values has not done anything that would result in a conviction in a court of law and deem him unfit for office and grounds for removal.
The White House attorneys and the GOP are willing to twist, bend, question, and mislead what is a crime that a sitting President could be punished for/removed from office. They have debated whether Trump could be taken into custody and removed from office if he killed someone for the hell of it. That is a frightening.

There is no doubt in my mind that if there were Nixon-like tapes out there on Trump (ya know, the ones that ultimately destroyed Nixon's presidency), the WH and/or it's attorney's would have buried them and/or would question and argue every little detail in the tapes to convince us that Trump did no wrong and his intent wasn't to break the law.

There's really no doubt now that Trump had a quid pro quo to strong arm the Ukraine into investigating the Biden's in return for US funding. The GOP and WH attorneys know this, but they are planting the seed that it's not illegal, unethical, etc. for Trump to do such a thing because it's not specifically written into law and "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a gray area that apparently is up for debate from every angle. The WH and GOP are really blurring the line between right and wrong. If a CEO did something like this, they would have been out a long time ago based on the number of people corroborating the same chain of events and timelines, changing of testimony, etc.

If Obama or any other democrat did this and party was protecting him the way the GOP is, I'd be just as pissed. The leaders in this country really lack a moral compass and the GOP is winning at that game right now. I'm not saying we're going the way of the rise of Hitler and Nazi party, but the similarities are there. It's very scary that leaders and citizens are willing to sell their souls for a party, not question the authority, etc. and how those with most misguided views somehow manage to get elected and wield the most power. It all very interesting and also very disappointing.
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Absolutely correct. Only one candidate goes around giving everyone demeaning nicknames.
I'll correct my own post. This is how Trump has lived his entire LIFE not just his Presidency or campaigns.
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The White House attorneys and the GOP are willing to twist, bend, question, and mislead what is a crime that a sitting President could be punished for/removed from office. They have debated whether Trump could be taken into custody and removed from office if he killed someone for the hell of it. That is a frightening.

There is no doubt in my mind that if there were Nixon-like tapes out there on Trump (ya know, the ones that ultimately destroyed Nixon's presidency), the WH and/or it's attorney's would have buried them and/or would question and argue every little detail in the tapes to convince us that Trump did no wrong and his intent wasn't to break the law.

There's really no doubt now that Trump had a quid pro quo to strong arm the Ukraine into investigating the Biden's in return for US funding. The GOP and WH attorneys know this, but they are planting the seed that it's not illegal, unethical, etc. for Trump to do such a thing because it's not specifically written into law and "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a gray area that apparently is up for debate from every angle. The WH and GOP are really blurring the line between right and wrong. If a CEO did something like this, they would have been out a long time ago based on the number of people corroborating the same chain of events and timelines, changing of testimony, etc.

If Obama or any other democrat did this and party was protecting him the way the GOP is, I'd be just as pissed. The leaders in this country really lack a moral compass and the GOP is winning at that game right now. I'm not saying we're going the way of the rise of Hitler and Nazi party, but the similarities are there. It's very scary that leaders and citizens are willing to sell their souls for a party, not question the authority, etc. and how those with most misguided views somehow manage to get elected and wield the most power. It all very interesting and also very disappointing.
As would the Trump supporters currently trying to protect Trump right now.

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You're right. Lindsey Graham did say Trump is a race-baiting xenophobe who doesn't represent the republican party. Have you had your head in the sand for the 8 years when Obama was called reprehensible names, many of which were overtly racist? Didn't our current president launch a campaign to discredit the birth certificate of then-president Obama? Do you not see this type of behavior as being beneath the prestige of the office of president of the United States? That's a representative you're proud of?
I'm an American and believe in free speech, I would hope of your an American as well you would hold the same values.
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Absolutely correct. Only one candidate goes around giving everyone demeaning nicknames.
You mean like HRC's "basket of deplorables?" That kind of a demeaning nickname?
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Like Trump or not....this whole thing is a tax payer money wasting circus. It's nothing but a witch Hunt that costing all of us our hard earned money.

Sickening.......
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I'm an American and believe in free speech, I would hope of your an American as well you would hold the same values.
Just because you CAN act like a petty baby, does not mean you should. The country should not be run like a WWE Raw episode. We are a real country with real values. Those values are being degraded at an alarming rate.
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You mean like HRC's "basket of deplorables?" That kind of a demeaning nickname?
ugh, man, you got me good there. Just to keep score: 1 vs (everyone)

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Like Trump or not....this whole thing is a tax payer money wasting circus. It's nothing but a witch Hunt that costing all of us our hard earned money.

Sickening.......
I posted a while ago about Trump's record setting deficits in response to a post like this and heard nothing. This is a drop in the bucket compared to that, but yet this is the sickening waste of taxpayer money?
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I posted a while ago about Trump's record setting deficits in response to a post like this and heard nothing. This is a drop in the bucket compared to that, but yet this is the sickening waste of taxpayer money?
The money is being spent on taller walls in order to combat the drugs that are brought in via tunnel, fishing boat, train, tractor trailer, and passenger vehicles.
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Just because you CAN act like a petty baby, does not mean you should. The country should not be run like a WWE Raw episode. We are a real country with real values. Those values are being degraded at an alarming rate.
I agree by the democrat party
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Absolutely correct. Only one candidate goes around giving everyone demeaning nicknames.
You mean like HRC's "basket of deplorables?" That kind of a demeaning nickname?
Human scum is even worse.
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The money is being spent on taller walls in order to combat the drugs that are brought in via tunnel, fishing boat, train, tractor trailer, and passenger vehicles.
Some are still coming across the land boarder and some being dealt with is better then do nothing.
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Some are still coming across the land boarder and some being dealt with is better then do nothing.
Who said to do nothing?
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I agree by the democrat party
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Everytime you bring this up you get shown reasons why this isn't true in every specific instance you site. You and the Republicans keep bringing up these to defend Trump when you know they don't apply in this specific instance (whistleblower/impeachment). Yet you willfully ignore the facts/truth about because they are being used against your guy and team.

This isn't a much different distraction technique than previous posters "waste of money" argument.
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Some are still coming across the land boarder and some being dealt with is better then do nothing.
And they are already cutting through/breaching the new (actually replacement sections of older walls) sections touted by Trump as the greatest wall ever to solve the problem.
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The White House attorneys and the GOP are willing to twist, bend, question, and mislead what is a crime that a sitting President could be punished for/removed from office. They have debated whether Trump could be taken into custody and removed from office if he killed someone for the hell of it. That is a frightening.

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Fyi Nixon never was impeached he step down and was pardon.

Clinton was impeach by the house and acquitted by the senate

Andrew suffer the same fate.

Every other republican president (except ford) since Eisenhower has had the democratic house try to impeach because they aren't happy if it not their guy!
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