[Wharf Rat]

My guess is that there will be a single M2 variant, whatever its name is - CS, Competition, whatever.
And, it will come at a hefty premium over the current iteration.
And it will be more difficult to obtain than the M2 was at launch. Those without considerable dealership connection will likely be waiting until 2020.

[EstorilM]

Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

My guess is that there will be a single M2 variant, whatever its name is - CS, Competition, whatever.
And, it will come at a hefty premium over the current iteration.
And it will be more difficult to obtain than the M2 was at launch. Those without considerable dealership connection will likely be waiting until 2020.

I called my dealer (so cal) and there was no list. Got the first spot. Lucky I guess...

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

My guess is that there will be a single M2 variant, whatever its name is - CS, Competition, whatever.
And, it will come at a hefty premium over the current iteration.
And it will be more difficult to obtain than the M2 was at launch. Those without considerable dealership connection will likely be waiting until 2020.

It cannot come at a hefty premium while RS3 starts at $55k and M3 starts at $65K. In other words, it has to stay competitive with its rivals and also cannot be more expensive than a higher model M. So the base MSRP will probably be less than $60k. Regarding the availability, this will replace the current M2 and become the entry level M2. Just talked to a client advisor who was selected as one of top M CAs in the world and was invited to Sweden by BMW (to receive their awards). He told me that he will get plenty of allocations for the updated 2019 M2 (whatever you wanna call it Competition, base etc) so it won't be that difficult to get one. On the other hand, there will only be 300 M2 CS available to the US market (I don't know when it'll be introduced tho).

[SW19]

Originally Posted by cntzl

It cannot come at a hefty premium while RS3 starts at $55k and M3 starts at $65K. In other words, it has to stay competitive with its rivals and also cannot be more expensive than a higher model M. So the base MSRP will probably be less than $60k. Regarding the availability, this will replace the current M2 and become the entry level M2. Just talked to a client advisor who was selected as one of top M CAs in the world and was invited to Sweden by BMW (to receive their awards). He told me that he will get plenty of allocations for the updated 2019 M2 (whatever you wanna call it Competition, base etc) so it won't be that difficult to get one. On the other hand, there will only be 300 M2 CS available to the US market (I don't know when it'll be introduced tho).

One interesting bit of info I noticed yesterday when I was at my BMW dealer was the latest official BMW future model bulletin that my SA showed me.It had the MY19 M2 on the list starting production in July 2018 but it wasn’t called the M2 Competition.It was just listed as the MY19 M2.

[DelGriffith]

Originally Posted by minimal_

Check out the other stickied threads, it was mentioned that it has since been changed back to “competition”.

In the last two days?

Reference the dates of those posts. Thx

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

One interesting bit of info I noticed yesterday when I was at my BMW dealer was the latest official BMW future model bulletin that my SA showed me.It had the MY19 M2 on the list starting production in July 2018 but it wasn’t called the M2 Competition.It was just listed as the MY19 M2.

However I'm sure that same bulletin would have specified if the MY19 M2 was coming with either a "Competition Package" which the "M2 Competition" isn't supposed to be and it would have said about the change of engine to S55.

Can they say anything about that?

On the screen of my local dealer when they were going through the same bulletin (which I didn't get to see much of), I glimpsed a picture of the Red Start Button from the M5?

I guess this may feature in a wider range of cars going forward?

[david9999999]

The VINs are up to -VB08902 now.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by david9999999

The VINs are up to -VB08902 now.

Thx.

Updated the first post of this thread.

And for the Mineral Grey fans: still zero test mules in MG (October 2016 till now).

[Zero_Cool]

Originally Posted by cntzl

It cannot come at a hefty premium while RS3 starts at $55k and M3 starts at $65K. In other words, it has to stay competitive with its rivals and also cannot be more expensive than a higher model M. So the base MSRP will probably be less than $60k. Regarding the availability, this will replace the current M2 and become the entry level M2. Just talked to a client advisor who was selected as one of top M CAs in the world and was invited to Sweden by BMW (to receive their awards). He told me that he will get plenty of allocations for the updated 2019 M2 (whatever you wanna call it Competition, base etc) so it won't be that difficult to get one. On the other hand, there will only be 300 M2 CS available to the US market (I don't know when it'll be introduced tho).

This is an accurate comment. I heard this exact info from my CA as he was briefed in the home of M.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Thx.

Updated the first post of this thread.

And for the Mineral Grey fans: still zero test mules in MG (October 2016 till now).

How about EU and RHD cars? Any non-US cars produced?

[david9999999]

Originally Posted by as7920

How about EU and RHD cars? Any non-US cars produced?

I'd be interested to know this as well (even though I don't live in Europe). I may have missed it, but was there an explanation of how we came upon this series of VINs for the US Competitions? One can only assume there is another series of VINs out there for European cars, but good luck finding it!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by as7920

How about EU and RHD cars? Any non-US cars produced?

Originally Posted by david9999999

I'd be interested to know this as well (even though I don't live in Europe). I may have missed it, but was there an explanation of how we came upon this series of VINs for the US Competitions? One can only assume there is another series of VINs out there for European cars, but good luck finding it!

Reported since quite some time in first post of the dedicated thread:

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 Competition - USA (2U73) | F87 (MUE) | COUPE | LL (= LHD) | S55 | 3.0 | 302 kW (= 410 hp [metric] or 405 hp [mech]):

• 2U71 = M2 Competition - EUR - LHD
• 2U72 = M2 Competition - EUR - RHD
• 2U73 = M2 Competition - USA - LHD

AFAIK no 2U71 or 2U72 VIN ever leaked on any BMW enthusiasts forum worldwide.

But IMHO that does not necessarily mean that no Bimmerpost forum fellow knows those VINs.

[SickFinga]

as7920 Artemis

VB08368
VB09868

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Artemis

AFAIK no 2U71 or 2U72 VIN ever leaked on any BMW enthusiasts forum worldwide.

But IMHO that does not necessarily mean that no Bimmerpost forum fellow knows those VINs.

Guess I'll keep trying 10 random VINs a day. Might get lucky just in time for official release date LOL.

[Lotus99]

Originally Posted by cntzl

It cannot come at a hefty premium while RS3 starts at $55k and M3 starts at $65K. In other words, it has to stay competitive with its rivals and also cannot be more expensive than a higher model M. So the base MSRP will probably be less than $60k. Regarding the availability, this will replace the current M2 and become the entry level M2. Just talked to a client advisor who was selected as one of top M CAs in the world and was invited to Sweden by BMW (to receive their awards). He told me that he will get plenty of allocations for the updated 2019 M2 (whatever you wanna call it Competition, base etc) so it won't be that difficult to get one. On the other hand, there will only be 300 M2 CS available to the US market (I don't know when it'll be introduced tho).

Exactly. All these people jumping up and down saying its price is going to go up 50% like the M4 GTS are out to lunch IMO. This is a replacement for the base M2, not a one off niche model.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

as7920 Artemis

VB08368
VB09868

OK, watch this space. List is coming. Let's see how deep the M2 Competition rabbit hole goes.

[Wharf Rat]

Originally Posted by Lotus99

Exactly. All these people jumping up and down saying its price is going to go up 50% like the M4 GTS are out to lunch IMO. This is a replacement for the base M2, not a one off niche model.

Hmmm... I can't recall a single post claiming a 50% increase.

Yeah, it's another M2. Probably as limited production as the current M2, unlike M3 or M4 which are sitting on lots everywhere.

[pruettfan]

Always think it is funny that people think their CA has some inside knowledge or perspective on unreleased pricing on a car. No CA worth their salt is going to tell a potential customer that the car is going to be substantially more expensive, thats an invitation to get their customer to shop other options. Of course I have no inside information but it only makes sense that if BMW is going to add substantial content to a car they are easily selling at the current pricing they are going to close the gap between the M2 and M4 more than it currently is. I hope they don't get too aggressive because the M2 has brought a lot of new enthusiasts to the M product line so it would be a shame to see them price them too aggressively but my guess is they will.

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Option code 2NH: "M Sportbrake" ("M Sportbremse")

Not saying that the brakes/rotors in the (older) M2 CS test mule pictured below are CCBs, but to my eyes these look bigger than the ones sporting the base M2.

Forum fellow lemetier pointed out that those are Fxx M5/6 fronts (400mm) and a unique hybrid rear setup. The 4 piston rear caliper comes from the F8x M3/4 MCCB, disc friction ring is M5/6 sized (395mm), and disc hat (with incorporated handbrake drum) is new, he commented.


(source: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...php?p=21237030)

Front and rear - base M2 (front rotors feature 3 rows of drilled holes):


Front and rear - M2 CS test mule (front rotors feature 4 rows of drilled holes):

Anymore details on 2NH option ?

Guess these bad boys won't be offered with 18" OEM winter [or track] wheels - here's hoping tho'

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

Always think it is funny that people think their CA has some inside knowledge or perspective on unreleased pricing on a car. No CA worth their salt is going to tell a potential customer that the car is going to be substantially more expensive, thats an invitation to get their customer to shop other options. Of course I have no inside information but it only makes sense that if BMW is going to add substantial content to a car they are easily selling at the current pricing they are going to close the gap between the M2 and M4 more than it currently is. I hope they don't get too aggressive because the M2 has brought a lot of new enthusiasts to the M product line so it would be a shame to see them price them too aggressively but my guess is they will.

How aggressive can BMW price it against M3/M4? There isn't much room left. If you think that a base M2 will cost as much as an M3, well... that's simply not going to happen. You don't need any "insider" CA to figure it out. However, a well-optioned M2 Competition might end up being more expensive than a nicely optioned M3/M4. Dealers are offering really aggressive discounts on M3/M4s bringing a loaded M3/M4s price to low to mid 70s with incentives. On the other hand, most M2 Competitions, if not all, will still be sold at MSRP with probably no incentives from BMW. Even if the MSRP starts at $60k, you can easily exceed $70k with optional seats, larger brakes, DCT, lighter wheels, and other packages etc.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

Anymore details on 2NH option ?

Guess these bad boys won't be offered with 18" OEM winter [or track] wheels - here's hoping tho'

The front caliper/rotor look identical to the F10 M5. Not sure about the rears.

Highly doubt they will be 18" friendly. You can see the minimal caliper clearance with the 19" M2 wheel vs the 20" M5 wheel.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

The front caliper/rotor look identical to the F10 M5. Not sure about the rears.
Highly doubt they will be 18" friendly. You can see the minimal caliper clearance with the 19" M2 wheel vs the 20" M5 wheel.
[PICTURES]

See also posts #1521 and #1524 of another thread.