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      09-25-2019, 12:35 PM   #2399
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Police are now investigating whether or not impairment played a part in the crash.
As a former cop I investigated MANY accidents. It is not uncommon from cars to continue moving after the initial collision. I am not aware that brakes are automatically applied upon impact. If the operator is unconscious or unable to brake it is easy for any vehicle to keep moving.

Heck, just watch a few car crash you tube videos.
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      09-26-2019, 07:27 AM   #2400
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HAHAHA:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/...h-speed-chase/

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https://elkodaily.com/news/local/tru...eadb8c378.html
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I was expecting a good laugh, but this doesn't qualify.

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How is this different from a cop picking up an ICE car that had an empty tank from the previous shift?

"The used 2014 Tesla Model S is considered part of a pilot program, to determine whether electric vehicles are suitable for police use on a larger scale.
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“So far so good,” Washington said, noting there is usually about 40 to 50 percent battery life left after a normal shift. “We are easily able to make it through an 11-hour shift with battery power to spare.” "

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"According to a Tesla spokesperson, the cause of the fire was related to the carrier truck, not to the vehicles on the truck."
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It is inevitable though. In 10 years the ICE may very well be gone.
No way will that happen in a mere decade. It won't happen even before most of us are dead and gone.
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"According to a Tesla spokesperson, the cause of the fire was related to the carrier truck, not to the vehicles on the truck."
Did you expect Tesla to say anything else? Every other news outlet has stated that the cause of the fire has not been determined yet.

In similar news:
https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...uck-ntsb-finds



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YES, they will survive 10 next years and they will continue to grow and innovate as they keep on updating themselves. It's like as we refer 192.168.0.10 guide for long life of router. As the model ... Co-author Super Thinking, Traction. Updated Jun ... Will Tesla as an automobile manufacturer still be in business.

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      09-27-2019, 03:21 PM   #2405
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Sounds promising. You should invest in them based on that co-author's opinion but first check this out:

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...6-sequentially
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      09-28-2019, 09:48 PM   #2406
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Sounds promising. You should invest in them based on that co-author's opinion but first check this out:

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...6-sequentially
I hate to go there, but you read zerohedge Way the fuck too much.
How can anyone take the non economic views of this website seriously?

https://www.zerohedge.com/
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      09-28-2019, 09:49 PM   #2407
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I don't want to start a whole new thread on Elon musk, but his presentation of the starship tonight was very impressive. SpaceX is extraordinarily impressive!
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      09-28-2019, 10:41 PM   #2408
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I don't want to start a whole new thread on Elon musk, but his presentation of the starship tonight was very impressive. SpaceX is extraordinarily impressive!
As much as I love what SpaceX is doing with the Falcon stuff, Musk looked confused bordering on stoned during the Starship webcast tonight IMHO. I have never heard him speak for more than sound bites before today, so maybe he just isn't the most fluid/polished speaker on a big stage? He seemed to have an excellent grasp on all of the technical details and design decisions even if he couldn't communicate them smoothly, but have to question his ambitious timelines when government approvals are still a hurdle.....
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"People Are Already Reporting Collisions With Tesla’s Driverless Smart Summon Feature"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/30074/...summon-feature

"Frightening Videos Surface Of Tesla's "Smart" Summon Feature"

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...summon-feature

https://twitter.com/MelaynaLokosky/s...896192/video/1
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"People Are Already Reporting Collisions With Tesla's Driverless Smart Summon Feature"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/30074/...summon-feature

"Frightening Videos Surface Of Tesla's "Smart" Summon Feature"

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...summon-feature

https://twitter.com/MelaynaLokosky/s...896192/video/1
I'm not even at all a little bit shocked about this is already happening. When did walking to your car become such a chore?
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It has nothing to do with necessity but novelty. I've had the auto-parking and adaptive cruise control on many vehicles outside of when I first got them to test the feature I never used it again. I can't imagine a time I would use this except to show to people who don't care.
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NHTSA & Tesla Summon Feature:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...k-about-safety

"TESLA IS A TECH COMPANY THAT MAKES CARS!" Apparently they cant even make tech either. Well done. Another MUStake in the books.
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Additional fees for hybrid and EV https://komonews.com/news/local/wash...-electric-cars
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In Arkansas on Oct. 1, the annual tag renewal fee increased from $25 to $200 per year for plug-in electrics and $100 for hybrids. They also raised the gasoline tax $0.03/gallon and the diesel tax $0.06/gallon, but our total gasoline tax per gallon is less than half of Pennsylvania or California or Washington.
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My point is simple....that what you claim to be a BMW failure was not.

No Corporate Head of a Public Company would dare continue full steam ahead on a program that was seen as a Company "failure".
Reread my second to last post and maybe you'll understand. I'm not going to debate this further.
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Nice try at turning this into "changing to stay ahead of the competition". How about addressing his lack of creating a beautiful and different design rather than what we have which is different and ugly design?
Those are all subjective statements. We all find different things beautiful or ugly......tasty or nasty.....etc. There are no definitive answers when it comes to subjective things.
Right… just like Jennifer Lawrence, Scarlett Johansson, or Jennifer Lopez are "subjectively" attractive. There are underlying themes which cause us to see "beauty." One may be more important to you than I but there's certain shared commonalities. I understand what you're trying to get at but you have to call a spade a spade when you see one. And this is a Fugly one.

The most poignant line I took away from his commentary was this: "If you are no longer successful, people will immediately start saying you need to make changes, but then you are in panic mode." This is where they're at right now, or about to be. The poop is about to hit the fan in Munich. They're already under pressure considering their failed (in their eyes) EV/hybrid rollout. Seems like a bad time to start messing with design language at this point but we've seen failures happen before. It's just a hard pill to swallow for those of us who enjoyed those shared design commonalities for so long before this.
Let's remember that you were the first to bring up the EVs and call them a failure in this thread.

So quit telling me I took the thread off topic.

And clearly you do not understand Corporations.
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      10-11-2019, 10:28 PM   #2416
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Let's remember that you were the first to bring up the EVs and call them a failure in this thread.
Not to dump petrol on this battery fire, but BMW did indeed fail on BEVs, certainly by the numbers. Further, BMW's head of dev, Klaus Fröhlich is constantly saying stupid crap like this from June:
"There are no customer requests for BEVs. None. … There are regulator requests for BEVs, but no customer requests. … If we have a big offer, a big incentive, we could flood Europe and sell a million cars, but Europeans won’t buy these things."
We can see the failure if we take sales numbers from 1h2019 in the top European BEV markets - Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands - where BMW sold ~4,100 i3s and Tesla sold ~13,000 Model 3s, a 3:1 loss in key markets against just Tesla. The only country where i3 sales come close is Germany and Tesla still beats BMW in sales. And keep in mind, this is JUST Tesla and JUST the 3, not other Tesla models or other BEVs.

So, yes, BMW's electric strategy is an absolute failure, however they have no choice but to proceed and double down, which is why Keuger is out. From Bloomberg:
As Krueger puzzled over how to reinvent BMW for the electric age, it was almost a year before he presented his strategic vision — which was a bust. He delayed BMW’s next major electric car, effectively squandering its leadership in the field. Key engineers quit to set up an electric-vehicle startup. And to help pay for the shift, Krueger doubled down on gas-guzzling, super-charged luxury cars such as the 8-Series sports car and full-size X7 SUV.

BMW took its head start in electric cars for granted and then failed to hit the accelerator again when needed,” said Christian Ludwig, an analyst at Bankhaus Lampe in Bielefeld, Germany.
Ironically, here's what Krueger said in June:
“We have taken numerous decisions that we are now bringing to the road. By 2021, we will have doubled our sales of electrified vehicles compared with 2019.”
Note that even if Krueger's prediction comes to pass they still lose in sales to just Tesla alone, not accounting for any other competitors.

Horrendous sales numbers, failed strategy, ousted CEO = failure.


Back on topic of the new g8x design: there's bravery, and then there's hold-my-beer stupidity ... which is this? Well, a lead designer usually doesn't put out a letter defending bravery.
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Let's remember that you were the first to bring up the EVs and call them a failure in this thread.
Not to dump petrol on this battery fire, but BMW did indeed fail on BEVs, certainly by the numbers. Further, BMW's head of dev, Klaus Fröhlich is constantly saying stupid crap like this from June:
"There are no customer requests for BEVs. None. … There are regulator requests for BEVs, but no customer requests. … If we have a big offer, a big incentive, we could flood Europe and sell a million cars, but Europeans won't buy these things."

We can see the failure if we take sales numbers from 1h2019 in the top European BEV markets - Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands - where BMW sold ~4,100 i3s and Tesla sold ~13,000 Model 3s, a 3:1 loss in key markets against just Tesla. The only country where i3 sales come close is Germany and Tesla still beats BMW in sales. And keep in mind, this is JUST Tesla and JUST the 3, not other Tesla models or other BEVs.

So, yes, BMW's electric strategy is an absolute failure, however they have no choice but to proceed and double down, which is why Keuger is out. From Bloomberg:
As Krueger puzzled over how to reinvent BMW for the electric age, it was almost a year before he presented his strategic vision — which was a bust. He delayed BMW's next major electric car, effectively squandering its leadership in the field. Key engineers quit to set up an electric-vehicle startup. And to help pay for the shift, Krueger doubled down on gas-guzzling, super-charged luxury cars such as the 8-Series sports car and full-size X7 SUV.

"BMW took its head start in electric cars for granted and then failed to hit the accelerator again when needed," said Christian Ludwig, an analyst at Bankhaus Lampe in Bielefeld, Germany.
Ironically, here's what Krueger said in June:
"We have taken numerous decisions that we are now bringing to the road. By 2021, we will have doubled our sales of electrified vehicles compared with 2019."
Not that even if that comes to pass they still lose in sales to just Tesla alone, not accounting for any other competitors.
I know it's off topic but if BMW come up with a sensibly priced Tesla Model 3 competitor (3 series sized full EV with strong performance and interior space - I'll chop my M3 in. Just can't quite bring myself to buy a Tesla, even though they tick a few boxes.
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Let's remember that you were the first to bring up the EVs and call them a failure in this thread.
Not to dump petrol on this battery fire, but BMW did indeed fail on BEVs, certainly by the numbers. Further, BMW's head of dev, Klaus Fröhlich is constantly saying stupid crap like this from June:
"There are no customer requests for BEVs. None. … There are regulator requests for BEVs, but no customer requests. … If we have a big offer, a big incentive, we could flood Europe and sell a million cars, but Europeans won't buy these things."
We can see the failure if we take sales numbers from 1h2019 in the top European BEV markets - Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands - where BMW sold ~4,100 i3s and Tesla sold ~13,000 Model 3s, a 3:1 loss in key markets against just Tesla. The only country where i3 sales come close is Germany and Tesla still beats BMW in sales. And keep in mind, this is JUST Tesla and JUST the 3, not other Tesla models or other BEVs.

So, yes, BMW's electric strategy is an absolute failure, however they have no choice but to proceed and double down, which is why Keuger is out. From Bloomberg:
As Krueger puzzled over how to reinvent BMW for the electric age, it was almost a year before he presented his strategic vision — which was a bust. He delayed BMW's next major electric car, effectively squandering its leadership in the field. Key engineers quit to set up an electric-vehicle startup. And to help pay for the shift, Krueger doubled down on gas-guzzling, super-charged luxury cars such as the 8-Series sports car and full-size X7 SUV.

"BMW took its head start in electric cars for granted and then failed to hit the accelerator again when needed," said Christian Ludwig, an analyst at Bankhaus Lampe in Bielefeld, Germany.
Ironically, here's what Krueger said in June:
"We have taken numerous decisions that we are now bringing to the road. By 2021, we will have doubled our sales of electrified vehicles compared with 2019."
Not that even if that comes to pass they still lose in sales to just Tesla alone, not accounting for any other competitors.
Selling more cars than Tesla is not the metric of success for an Electric Strategy.

It's a long term marathon.

America did not put an American on the Moon with the Mercury series either. Nor did they Wright Brothers fly a Concorde at Kitty Hawk. And Henry Ford did not build a Ford GT off his first assembly line.
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Selling more cars than Tesla is not the metric of success for an Electric Strategy.

It's a long term marathon.
Well then they got their asses kicked on the first leg of the marathon by an upstart and by multiples - and their CEO's electric strategy got him fired (not to mention his margin failure).

... and given their Dir of Dev Klaus Fröhlich doesn't think customers want BEVs (he's right in that customers don't want BMW BEVs), I'm guessing it won't be long until Zipse tells him he's out too. Keep an eye out for that headline!

Further, look for BMW to pull back on carbon fiber in their future BEVs (ref margin point)
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Let's remember that you were the first to bring up the EVs and call them a failure in this thread.
Not to dump petrol on this battery fire, but BMW did indeed fail on BEVs, certainly by the numbers. Further, BMW's head of dev, Klaus Fröhlich is constantly saying stupid crap like this from June:
"There are no customer requests for BEVs. None. … There are regulator requests for BEVs, but no customer requests. … If we have a big offer, a big incentive, we could flood Europe and sell a million cars, but Europeans won't buy these things."
We can see the failure if we take sales numbers from 1h2019 in the top European BEV markets - Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands - where BMW sold ~4,100 i3s and Tesla sold ~13,000 Model 3s, a 3:1 loss in key markets against just Tesla. The only country where i3 sales come close is Germany and Tesla still beats BMW in sales. And keep in mind, this is JUST Tesla and JUST the 3, not other Tesla models or other BEVs.

So, yes, BMW's electric strategy is an absolute failure, however they have no choice but to proceed and double down, which is why Keuger is out. [COLOR="Blue"]From Bloomberg:[/COLOR]
As Krueger puzzled over how to reinvent BMW for the electric age, it was almost a year before he presented his strategic vision — which was a bust. He delayed BMW's next major electric car, effectively squandering its leadership in the field. Key engineers quit to set up an electric-vehicle startup. And to help pay for the shift, Krueger doubled down on gas-guzzling, super-charged luxury cars such as the 8-Series sports car and full-size X7 SUV.

"BMW took its head start in electric cars for granted and then failed to hit the accelerator again when needed," said Christian Ludwig, an analyst at Bankhaus Lampe in Bielefeld, Germany.
Ironically, here's what Krueger said in June:
"We have taken numerous decisions that we are now bringing to the road. By 2021, we will have doubled our sales of electrified vehicles compared with 2019."
Note that even if Krueger's prediction comes to pass they still lose in sales to just Tesla alone, not accounting for any other competitors.

Horrendous sales numbers, failed strategy, ousted CEO = failure.


Back on topic of the new g8x design: there's bravery, and then there's hold-my-beer stupidity ... which is this? Well, a lead designer usually doesn't put out a letter defending bravery.
Tesla sells many cars, but consistently does so at a loss. Is this a sensible business plan? I suppose anyone can sell more units at a loss, depending on how much of a loss you're willing to accept. How long can they continue to consistently lose profit until the honeymoon is over and investors decide to sell out while there's still something to sell? Everyone eventually has to pay their debt, regardless of what they promise for the future.
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