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04-07-2022, 04:59 PM | #23 | |
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04-07-2022, 05:11 PM | #24 |
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Fwiw ford has said they are dedicated to ice on enthusiast platforms until sales die. That mean mustang and bronco will be ice for awhile. Dodge seems to be back tracking on its ev announcement and talking about a hydrogen engine. Ford too actually. Chevy… who knows they Camaro is still getting killed soon afaik
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04-07-2022, 05:55 PM | #26 |
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Oh look, another death of ICE thread. 49mpg by 2026, about as realistic as anything else these political turds can come up with. Let's kill more coal power plants, and shut down some more pipelines to get all those EV cars charged. Simply cannot lose.
Let's make another cars will all be driving themselves in a year thread too, that's coming for sure just like I've heard for the last ten years. |
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04-07-2022, 06:05 PM | #27 | |
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I think even if these cars stay ICE - they will be further compromised with reduced power / sound with things like particulate filters and other nonsense to keep emissions down. |
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04-07-2022, 07:41 PM | #29 |
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This one. Manual, V8, keeps up with 911s on the track. Already in my stable
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04-07-2022, 07:53 PM | #30 |
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I thought this was happening a few years early so I already bought my final ICE cars - a 570s and a GT3 Touring. I'm considering flipping one of them for a Huracan Evo or Performante, but I'm pretty happy where I am even if I don't
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04-07-2022, 09:58 PM | #33 |
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Threads like this depress me.
My personal forever cars: -911 - probably the most sensible DD. Looks great, drives great, generations of pedigree, holds its value, relatively reliable -M2 - the closest modern BMW to really capturing the "spirit" of the brand's heritage. It's reminiscent of a different time and philosophy in Munich -Giulia Quadrifoglio And as far as classics go: E46 M3 and a Ferrari in Rosso Corsa.
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04-08-2022, 06:53 AM | #34 | |
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I really wish I was wrong, but I'm working in the kitchen and I can see the sausage being made. Believe me, it's happening. Whether we want to or not, we're all going to be eating it. |
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04-08-2022, 06:58 AM | #35 |
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I continue to be in the camp that says the new regs are impossible to meet, ICE will be around for a LONG time. 5 years ago I predicted a roughly equal market share between electric, hybrid and ICE in physically large western countries and I stand by that.
In saying that, the rot has already started, so many new cars are turbo charged, i understand the desire to meet false emissions targets (turbo charged cars effectively cheat on their test cycle) and the desire for huge torque numbers but the lag and lack of theatre has drained the soul from many sporty orientated cars. I have a deposit down on a 997.2, final inspection this weekend. Hydraulic steering, naturally aspirated, wants to be revved to make power, not the greatest NVH....... seems to fit the bill for what ails us. |
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04-08-2022, 08:21 AM | #36 |
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I will add that I think the V8 M3's are going to rise sharply in price, like 100K in a few years. I can just smell it. People are realising that these cars with massive low end torque are not a lot of fun hustling on public roads. I rented a Coyote mustang last year and man, it actually doesn't mind a bit of a rev compared tot he GM V8's but even then, it's got big torque numbers so truth be told, you tickle the throttle and ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh i am 30km/h over the limit already.
The E92 or whatever it is called, needs to rev out to have fun as there's bugger all bottom end. |
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04-08-2022, 09:14 AM | #37 | |
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04-08-2022, 09:43 AM | #38 |
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I think so. Even a stock 997.2 is still quite refined. It's got those great attributes mentioned but for my taste its still too polished. That's ok, taking stuff like sound deadening and extra carpets out of the car is free and goes a long way towards unburdening the car of extra weight and a slightly posh feeling it really doesn't need to have.
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04-08-2022, 09:46 AM | #39 | |
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Once you commit to this and allocate funds - its not easy to go back to pure ICE. Also even the current gen cars all have dumb things like rev limiters, particulate filters, muted exhausts etc. I just don’t see much promise of ICE cars sticking around when most manufacturers announced next gen cars that are EVs or Hybrid. |
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Saab 9-3 turbo x or a regulator 2.8!
Love to tune on of these! Rumours has it that there was a 400hp version in the making and when a boss at GM/corvette got to drive it, he was like scrap this! We won’t be able to sell any corvette if this hits the market as the handling and performance was better than their lineup at the time |
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04-08-2022, 09:51 AM | #41 | |
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Just go on any enthusiast forum and they say hey I always wanted X car and now is my final chance to get it before it’s cancelled or on used ones - before prices skyrocket. Look at WRX Sti - cancelled with no warning. Mazda6 with inline 6 and RWD also cancelled. Cayman/Boxster - confirmed to be EV only Believe me this is having effect on market for enthusiast cars. |
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04-08-2022, 10:21 AM | #43 | |
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But yeah this sucks for your average enthusiast since all these cars are mega expensive and exclusive. Eventually the M division, AMG division, Quadrifoglios, Boxsters etc. may not have any ICE offerings. I do think American muscle cars and Japanese sports cars will also continue to offer ICE for some time, but those cars have never interested me. Maybe they will start appealing to me over the next decade...
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And low end torque is also a great thing. Pass in any gear without breaking a sweat. Downshift when you need to do it in a hurry. |
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