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      01-27-2019, 01:07 PM   #23
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You mean stupid drivers that are trying to kill pedestrians?
Why are cop cars painted black and white? If they are trying to help drivers they should be brightly colored like in Europe.

I sniff an ulterior motive.
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      01-27-2019, 01:11 PM   #24
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Why are cop cars painted black and white? If they are trying to help drivers they should be brightly colored like in Europe.

I sniff an ulterior motive.
Well, according to wiki:

Black and white is an American slang term for a police car that is painted in large panels of black and white or generally any "marked" police car. Historically, this scheme was much favored by North American police forces because it allowed the unambiguous recognition of patrol units from a significant distance. However, as the color scheme is not standardized, each police agency in Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. can choose their own color scheme. The most common variant of the black and white color scheme is white roof and four white doors, the second most common is white roof and only the two front doors. In Finland and Sweden, the black and white police cars had black roofs to make them visible in high snow.

I don't think there's anything nefarious about it. Some departments paint them blue and white, all yellow, all white with decals.....who knows. Some of it may come down to fleet costs etc....maybe obert can comment.
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Why are cop cars painted black and white? If they are trying to help drivers they should be brightly colored like in Europe.

I sniff an ulterior motive.
You can make up anything you want to and believe it.
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$100k police car, OK!
I guess the tax payers will pay for that.
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$100k police car, OK!
I guess the tax payers will pay for that.
Its a used one they got for 65kish I forgot the number it's in the article.
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So, $65k is a good price for a police car, is that Candrian Dollars?
So, about $50k US?


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Its a used one they got for 65kish I forgot the number it's in the article.
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      01-27-2019, 10:23 PM   #29
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So, $65k is a good price for a police car, is that Candrian Dollars?
So, about $50k US?


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Its a used one they got for 65kish I forgot the number it's in the article.
61kUSD, another 4.4k for equipment related stuff, it's about 40k for an Explorer and 4.4k equipment and stuff according to the article.
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Well f-KC me, is your name Gary also?
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So to outfit a Police interceptor Explorer for patrol use you looking at around 30g or more.

Plus cost of vehicle.
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So to outfit a Police interceptor Explorer for patrol use you looking at around 30g or more.

Plus cost of vehicle.
I'm assuming that's for brand new parts? Or does reusing parts vary per PD
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I'm assuming that's for brand new parts? Or does reusing parts vary per PD
All new

Only thing that is reused is ICV and police radio. Everything else is stripped and trashed. All lights, ballistic panels.

You also have to take into consideration totaled vehicles. In most of these cases you would need all new parts.
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I can see this working for detectives, some specialty units, Captains even Chiefs. But full patrol no.
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So to outfit a Police interceptor Explorer for patrol use you looking at around 30g or more.

Plus cost of vehicle.
Except I can think of few applications where a vehicle would burn as much fuel idling and otherwise as a police vehicle. The fuel cost per year has to be far and above any private citizen use.
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Except I can think of few applications where a vehicle would burn as much fuel idling and otherwise as a police vehicle. The fuel cost per year has to be far and above any private citizen use.
Goes without saying. Most patrol cars run 24/7. The are only shut down for short periods of time but tend to idle for hours at a time, and then are usually driven quite hard.

I've never owned an EV and I've said on this forum I don't ever see myself owning one. Having said that I have spent many years in a Scout Car (patrol vehicle). From my experience the heat or AC is always on, the car also has to support radio, computer and emergency lights among other things. I suspect all of these things plus extreme weather the drain on the battery will be off the charts so based on my understanding and experience I don't really see any EV as being a practical solution for real patrol applications.

I remember way back in the day my department bought two Reliant K Cars for uniformed patrol. I gather it was a test project to see if they were viable for marked patrol cars from a cost and durability point of view. I can tell you the cars didn't last 60,000K and were pulled from service after about 6 months.

Among other things, they were slow, not robust and far too small for a prisoner or for officer comfort. I think the Tesla being discussed here is a pilot project or a boutique project for show.
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Except I can think of few applications where a vehicle would burn as much fuel idling and otherwise as a police vehicle. The fuel cost per year has to be far and above any private citizen use.
Of course. Most places use “idle right” so it turns on and off the vehicle as needed when at idle. With the upcoming hybrid models it will get even better. The Tesla just isn’t there as far as R&D for patrol use yet.
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Unless tesla gave the car to the Fremont Police Department (which a lot of auto makers do with their local towns that they manufacture Cars in) this is just an outrageous waste of money.

We pay so much money here in California for taxes and this is yet another example of wasted money.
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Unless tesla gave the car to the Fremont Police Department (which a lot of auto makers do with their local towns that they manufacture Cars in) this is just an outrageous waste of money.

We pay so much money here in California for taxes and this is yet another example of wasted money.
You do realize a huge cost of operating vehicles is gas, right?
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You do realize a huge cost of operating vehicles is gas, right?
the price delta between a Tesla and other Fleet police vehicles would offset most or all of the fuel cost over the life of the vehicle.

Just some quick math, lets say $50 US a day x 365 days in fuel for a regular police car, that's $18250 a year. The life expectancy of a police car in many jurisdictions is about 70-80K miles so about 1-2 years.

I think it was mentioned earlier what the price of a $40K for a Ford fleet vehicle. The car in the article was used and supplied for about $65K I think, but lets compare apples here. A new Tesla is about $100K and I'd suggest higher to upgrade for real world policing. The price might net out.

So if the price nets out you still need to take into account the shortfalls the Tesla would likely face against a police package fleet vehicle. I don't think at this time it's a viable option for regular patrol duty.

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the price delta between a Tesla and other Fleet police vehicles would offset most or all of the fuel cost over the life of the vehicle.

Just some quick math, lets say $50 US a day x 365 days in fuel for a regular police car, that's $18250 a year. The life expectancy of a police car in many jurisdictions is about 70-80K miles so about 1-2 years.

I think it was mentioned earlier what the price of a $40K for a Ford fleet vehicle. The car in the article was used and supplied for about $65K I think, but lets compare apples here. A new Tesla is about $100K and I'd suggest higher to upgrade for real world policing. The price might net out.

So if the price nets out you still need to take into account the shortfalls the Tesla would likely face against a police package fleet vehicle. I don't think at this time it's a viable option for regular patrol duty.
SemiRelated/NotRelated, but

I wonder why Gang Task Force gets away with flexing their dicks with the cars they seize. The BC Gang Task Force has a E92 M3 lol, wonder what the cost to run that for them is.
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Seattle police keep theirs for 5 years no matter mileage. Or until it’s no longer cost affective to repair. This usually only happens from accidents not mechanical failure.
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Seattle police keep theirs for 5 years no matter mileage. Or until it’s no longer cost affective to repair. This usually only happens from accidents not mechanical failure.
The RCMP and OPP usually keep them for about 120Km so 70ish miles. In Toronto they'd get about 120-160Km (70-100K miles) and they were done from wear and tear and accident damage. I was shocked when I learned how many departmental collisions occur.

About 15 years ago when there was a real budget crunch on they tried repairing cars past their best before date to put off the purchasing of new cars. A disaster. I think it was a good lesson in fleet management and economics. The things were in the shop constantly. I remember the Crown Vic transmissions just wouldn't last past a certain point.
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