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04-25-2019, 08:57 AM | #1 |
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Joe Biden Launches Presidential Bid 2020
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Joe Biden has launched his Presidential bid for the 2020 Democratic nomination. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47601125 He's going to be an interesting candidate to follow and, IMO, the strongest contender from the Democratic Party. Most of the others are way too left off spectrum and will not fare well with the general American public. But he's not without his liabilities. Concerns like his age and reputation/history as an "establishment" politician can and probably will work against him at some point of this race. Nevertheless, 2020 just got a little bit more interesting.
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04-25-2019, 09:08 AM | #3 |
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Biden 2020 will be the Bush of 2016. He is very well vetted and approved, safe for the establishment but as dull and dishwater and won't survive the more charismatic and exciting candidates.
Let he's out by the convention. Cheers-mk
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04-25-2019, 09:16 AM | #4 |
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It is interesting that you say he is the strongest contender of the Democratic party. I don't necessarily disagree, but I think it may be because of my own inherent bias.
To explain that a little further, I don't understand the views / policies of Warren, Sanders, or Harris in the sense that they aren't overly palatable. I understand the words coming out of their mouth, but I disagree with them on a decent part of what I see them supporting (not everything, but a decent part). At least they aren't as far left as some other non presidential dems, like AOC and Ilhan Omar who are just ridiculous. Whereas Biden, I suspect I could see myself agreeing with on more things than the others, still probably not the majority, but considerably more than Sanders et al. And because of that, I would therefore be tempted to agree with you that he's the strongest Dem contender. But that is because he aligns more to my view of the world than the rest. To raise a contrary point then, simply because I agree with him more, doesn't mean the majority of Democrats feel the way I do. They may veer much farther left, and to them, maybe they see Biden as to wishy washy, doesn't stand far enough left, not enough of a difference, etc. And therefore, they may want to elect someone a little more radically left. Like Sanders. Point being, inherent bias sometimes leads to wrong conclusions. I wouldn't be surprised to see AOC and the like whipping up support for someone like Sanders and similar and Biden losing the bid. There is less and less middle ground in America if the media and even these forums are any indication. Lines are being drawn, people are entrenching into their respective positions and drawing people that were middle to either side. For that reason, someone sort of middle ground like I see Biden, will potentially lose. Because he's not enough on "their" side. I don't really understand why him being a VP makes him a stronger candidate or an edge per se - but I do understand that seemingly in American minds, this is a benefit right? Is it because he has already worked in the higher political circles (maybe - if the President let him)? |
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04-25-2019, 09:53 AM | #6 |
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Did he announce being flanked by underaged girls? Too soon?
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04-25-2019, 10:05 AM | #7 |
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He's beholden, dirty and sick but he's not a crazy. If 'they' somehow prevent him from going to the show, the dems only shot is over.
The only others with a glimmer of primary toasting hope are Burn and Lil Pete. The rest are already finished and they know it. If he makes it, when Sanders Math gets exploited on ads and such, he's toast. If Sanders somehow still makes it, the number of dems that just won't vote or wear a disguise and vote for Trump are high. Shake your heads if you want, but that's a fact. Money in pockets beats unicorn dreams.
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I'll vote for him, I've always liked Joe. However, two things.
1. He's old, there's no getting around that. 2. He's old and white, and there's a large swath of folks who vote Dim who hate anybody who shares those two attributes. Just this week the NYT had an article asking if an "a white male" should even be the candidate for the Dims in 2020. So much for the party of diversity and inclusion. Link to a disgusting article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/u...hite-male.html Last edited by NickyC; 04-25-2019 at 10:21 AM.. |
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I think he can beat Trump-unfortunately. The good thing is I can't think of a better DemocRAT I would rather have than him.
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And by electing Biden the US voting public can show that a left or right extremist does not have to win any more elections (like a Trump or Sanders). Anyway, this is it for Trump. If Biden gets the Dems nomination, its game over. There won't be a last minute FBI investigation, or a GRU/Wikileaks drop to save Trump this time. Will he turn out the lights when he's asked to leave the White House, or will he have to be politely "escorted" out.
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I'm out of the game of foretelling who will win though, it could still be somebody we've never heard of and I think recent history has shown anybody is basically qualified to be POTUS now lol. I do however think the window is closing on Repubs for national elections, if a state such as Texas goes blue it's over. |
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I sincerely hope you're right. Unfortunately I think of some members here that would probably rather die than vote Trump.
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Yep.
His VP pick, should he win the nom will be crucial. Harris? Warren? Surely it will be a woman... Quote:
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Beta? Pffftt. He's got one of those giant wooden forks, like my grandma had on her kitchen wall, in his back.
In other, not so welcome to Joe lol, news. Avenatti just 'endorsed' Joe. Camp Joe is spitting out their coffee.
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Though the forums are interesting aren't they? Because while I do believe the media is biased, the forums...well, they are just people feeling rather anonymous and therefore, they tend to type their true feelings here wouldn't you agree? At least politically. They aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot with other deep dark secrets...but politically, I think they are as close to first hand, and realistically basically are first hand as you or I can get - and cutting across a wide section of the country, not limited geographically to your city / surrounding area. Arguably a good representation. Of course, you could make arguments that perhaps the type of person who is attracted to a BMW forum tends to vote a certain way, but we can still see lines drawn here. |
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