The official "Ask a cop/deputy anything!" thread

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by NealfromNZ

That's funny as

I was in Australia on a conference, went out to the local city bars and we finished up at about 2am. Walking back through the city. Two Aussie blokes pi$$ed as chooks are walking through the mall with underpants around their shoes. They walkout across the road between mall segments straight passed a police cruiser with male & female cops inside.

The cops just laugh and the guys carry on walking. Good to see they could see the funny side and didn't act.

Hahaha! Here in the U.S. we'd be receiving indecent exposure calls in a situation like that.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Hahaha! Here in the U.S. we'd be receiving indecent exposure calls in a situation like that.

In parts of Toronto that wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

[wtwo3]

Doh'

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Doh'

I've broken this down in the "banned" thread. Tecnniqe posted about it on the last couple of pages.

Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks? https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1761187

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I've broken this down in the "banned" thread. Tecnniqe posted about it on the last couple of pages.

Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks? https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1761187

Totally forgot about that thread

Wonder if my kind are welcome there...

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Totally forgot about that thread

Wonder if my kind are welcome there...

Lol! I love the G8X and post there. If I can do it, I'm sure your kind can too.

[Sedan_Clan]

It just goes to show you that a person who wants to kill a lot of people - including children - will find a way. Most of the 36 victims were killed using a knife.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/06/a...hnk/index.html

There was also a shooting in Turks & Caicos of all places. Craziness!

[paquet]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

The police get precious little recognition in Canada, I wouldn't often tell people what I did for a living, I'd tell people I was a garbage man.....not far from the truth in some respect. I was in the US and was chatting with some Americans in a bar if you can believe it. I was with my friend who would always chirp off about me being a cop. Anyway these folks didn't miss a beat and said "thank you for your service". I can't tell you how good that made me feel.

You almost never hear that in Canada.

I'm saddened to hear of the lack of acknowledgement you've felt in Canada (which is sadly true) - and it's frustrating to witness (why it's like that - well, I have some common-sense but supposedly controversial theories on it - lack of respect stemming from people being entitled shitheads etc etc)

But I'm glad your acquaintances in the US acknowledged you and your service.

[paquet]

Yessir - saw mention of that attack in Thailand of all places. it's so sad to hear of so many lives lost.
But i did notice my anti-gun acquaintances are remarkably quiet on it - not surprised though...

(lots of edits this morning - not enough coffee)

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by paquet

Yessir - saw mention of that attack in Thailand of all places. it's so sad to hear of so many lives lost.
But i did notice my anti-gun acquaintances are remarkably quiet on it - not surprised though...

(lots of edits this morning - not enough coffee)

Yeah, they can't blame the evil AR-15 for this one. More deaths than Uvalde and it's crickets because the AR-15 wasn't involved.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah, they can't blame the evil AR-15 for this one. More deaths than Uvalde and it's crickets because the AR-15 wasn't involved.

The A.R. 15 is not evil. But it is occasionally used for evil.
What is your proposal for keeping it out of the hands of people who are evil?

Also, did you hear about the DPS officer who quit Dps, and went to work for Uvalde? She was one of the first seven or eight officers to respond to the elementary school massacre there. And she was caught on camera later saying "if my child was in there, I would've gone right in".

Is that your philosophy also?
Is that your training?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

The A.R. 15 is not evil. But it is occasionally used for evil.
What is your proposal for keeping it out of the hands of people who are evil?

Also, did you hear about the DPS officer who quit Dps, and went to work for Uvalde? She was one of the first seven or eight officers to respond to the elementary school massacre there. And she was caught on camera later saying "if my child was in there, I would've gone right in".

Is that your philosophy also?
Is that your training?

It is too late for that (….referencing keeping it out of the hands of evil people). You asking me that question is the equivalent of you asking me, "How can we keep drugs off of the streets?" ….We can't! No law, no party lines…..nothing…..will keep that from happening. THAT is the reality. The idea that we can legislate these things from occurring is completely flawed thinking/reasoning. Evil people will find a way to meet their objective(s). They ALWAYS do!

No, I didn't hear about that particular officer, but I also don't know why her statement would be surprising to anybody. What else would someone expect her to say? That was rhetorical; I don't need an answer.

[KJ10]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

The A.R. 15 is not evil. But it is occasionally used for evil.
What is your proposal for keeping it out of the hands of people who are evil?

Also, did you hear about the DPS officer who quit Dps, and went to work for Uvalde? She was one of the first seven or eight officers to respond to the elementary school massacre there. And she was caught on camera later saying "if my child was in there, I would've gone right in".

Is that your philosophy also?
Is that your training?

She was fired as of this morning.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by KJ10

She was fired as of this morning.

I heard. Good riddance. She should have a bright future as a mall cop.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It is too late for that (….referencing keeping it out of the hands of evil people). You asking me that question is the equivalent of you asking me, "How can we keep drugs off of the streets?" ….We can't! No law, no party lines…..nothing…..will keep that from happening. THAT is the reality. The idea that we can legislate these things from occurring is completely flawed thinking/reasoning. Evil people will find a way to meet their objective(s). They ALWAYS do!

No, I didn't hear about that particular officer, but I also don't know why her statement would be surprising to anybody. What else would someone expect her to say? That was rhetorical; I don't need an answer.

Giving up. Is that the new American way?

Apparently the kids he killed Were napping. Imagine the damage he could've done if he had a 20 bullet clip A.R. 15. Apparently, current Thai police and army personnel have access to these weapons. But since he was fired, I guess he didn't have access anymore.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Giving up. Is that the new American way?

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This manual advocates immediate engagement of active shooters. You'll notice in section 1.2 of the history section, the Santa Fe resource officers immediately acted, and probably saved many many many lives. Despite one of them being wounded.

https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/de...201-30-20.docx

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

This manual advocates immediate engagement of active shooters. You'll notice in section 1.2 of the history section, the Santa Fe resource officers immediately acted, and probably saved many many many lives. Despite one of them being wounded.

https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/de...201-30-20.docx

What does their manual of policy and procedures say about BARRICADED suspects? Research it, get informed and get back to me. Thanks.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What does their manual of policy and procedures say about BARRICADED suspects? Research it, get informed and get back to me. Thanks.

He wasn't barricaded, the door was probably not even locked.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

He wasn't barricaded, the door was probably not even locked.

Sigh! You don't know what you're talking about. This is why people who don't work in law enforcement and who have no experience with criminal apprehension need to educate themselves before speaking (…and reason without emotion; a difficult task, but it can be done).


Here's a bit of education for you. The moment somebody runs into a four sided structure and visibility is lost, they become a barricaded suspect. Whether or not the door is locked is irrelevant.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What does their manual of policy and procedures say about BARRICADED suspects? Research it, get informed and get back to me. Thanks.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/11063...pete-arredondo

A top Texas law enforcement official said that there were enough armed police officers wearing body armor to stop the late May shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, three minutes after it began.

But instead, it took about an hour and 14 minutes from when officers arrived at the school to when they breached the door and ended the standoff with the gunman.

That was according to Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, who spoke to state officials during a Texas Senate committee hearing on Tuesday.

Within the first 3 minutes of the attack, there were at least nine officers out in the hallway, he said. There were at least two armed with rifles and a body shield, McCraw said. They also had bulletproof vests.

"The officers had weapons, the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none," McCraw said.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/11063...pete-arredondo

A top Texas law enforcement official said that there were enough armed police officers wearing body armor to stop the late May shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, three minutes after it began.

But instead, it took about an hour and 14 minutes from when officers arrived at the school to when they breached the door and ended the standoff with the gunman.

That was according to Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, who spoke to state officials during a Texas Senate committee hearing on Tuesday.

Within the first 3 minutes of the attack, there were at least nine officers out in the hallway, he said. There were at least two armed with rifles and a body shield, McCraw said. They also had bulletproof vests.

"The officers had weapons, the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none," McCraw said.

ALL of that is irrelevant as it pertains to policy and procedure for barricaded suspects (…presuming their policy is like most major law enforcement departments). The timeframe isn't unusual when you consider resources, tactical plans, crisis intervention negotiators, etc.

P.S. I respond to AT LEAST two barricaded suspect calls a week (…probably cumulatively more than the entire line of Uvalde Police Department officers once you extrapolate that number over years). I have plenty of field experience with these types of calls and what they entail.