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      11-25-2016, 10:44 AM   #1
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Disturbing Signs of Cult-Like Behavior from Progressive/Liberals/DNC

I have been having lengthy conversations with progressive/liberal friends of mine since the election. As I continue these conversations and examine objective evidence, I am highly convinced that many people in the group have become enthralled by the Progressive/DNC/Agenda and leaders.

Here is a list of 10 Signs that signal involvement in a cult. I have highlighted the ones I think are highly relevant with respect to the Progressive/Liberal/DNC agenda.

By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.


I invite legitimate discussion on this topic. Please adhere to the intent of the thread and don't turn it into a flame chamber.
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This is very much a situation driven by children being mollycoddled their entire childhood. Parents overprotecting kids and not equipping them with the skills to understand that there are people out there that differ from you.

There is no willingness to engage with them and find common ground.

This is also exacerbated by social media. Facebook creates echo chambers filled only with people that agree with you. End result you are unable to discuss issues from both sides and end up throwing tantrums.

This is dangerous for the cohesion of society no matter your political leaning, and ultimately this tribalisation of people and balkanisation of opinion lays the fertile ground upon which we are ALL fucked over by those at the top of the food chain, who frankly are neither liberal nor conservative.

It's classic divide and conquer yet we all continue to fall for it.

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SamM_UK , astute analysis.

Thanks for your contribution to civil discourse!
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You're welcome. There are so many agendas out there, it's difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff

Society is failing its kids in this aspect.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...news-from-real
https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/22/mo...s-study-shows/
http://fortune.com/2016/11/23/stanford-fake-news/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/most-stu...nds-1479752576

If our future citizens can't tell the fakes from reality, they end up getting fucked over. This needs addressing ASAP.
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I think the analogy is a bit of a stretch:
1. Just because people are passionate about a cause doesn't make the cause a "cult". Reasonable minds can disagree. Certainly there is a percentage of those on the fringe that are blind followers, but in no way would I say that it applies to all or even a majority of Progressives/DNC'ers.
2. The same analysis can apply to the RNC and Trump supporters as well. So to only provide one side of the story is misleading.
3. Actually, I think the cult analysis applies more to Trump himself, his personality and business practices. All those traits listed correlate well to narcissistic personality disorder.
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      11-25-2016, 03:40 PM   #6
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I think the analogy is a bit of a stretch:
1. Just because people are passionate about a cause doesn't make the cause a "cult". Reasonable minds can disagree. Certainly there is a percentage of those on the fringe that are blind followers, but in no way would I say that it applies to all or even a majority of Progressives/DNC'ers.
2. The same analysis can apply to the RNC and Trump supporters as well. So to only provide one side of the story is misleading.
3. Actually, I think the cult analysis applies more to Trump himself, his personality and business practices. All those traits listed correlate well to narcissistic personality disorder.
Great post and I appreciate your engagement!

I'm not discussion passion. I'm discussing the willful ignorance and delusional behavior with regard to the MSM, the criminality of the DNC and HRC, as well as a complete willingness to subvert the election process (Sanders treatment). I saw so many people seem to wake up from a fog a few days after the election after so many disclosures were made. Now it seems that there is a process of rolling back the information that was discovered and some of the main perps (the MSM) are back to their ways.

The friend that I was thinking about when I decided to start this thread sort of went through a detox procedure. We literally went through a Trump speech and compared it to a report and went through the lies line-by-line. It was only then that there was an admission of the inaccurate reporting. My friend is a highly educated, smart person with a $200,000 education. Completely indoctrinated. Sadly, this is not atypical. I stand as the lone conservative in my group of friends and most of my family. All highly educated and making $150K+ per year. I still find it shocking that people who are otherwise highly intelligent and great critical thinkers fall for the line of the DNC/HRC machine.

Thanks again for your great response!
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I have been having lengthy conversations with progressive/liberal friends of mine since the election. As I continue these conversations and examine objective evidence, I am highly convinced that many people in the group have become enthralled by the Progressive/DNC/Agenda and leaders.

Here is a list of 10 Signs that signal involvement in a cult. I have highlighted the ones I think are highly relevant with respect to the Progressive/Liberal/DNC agenda.

By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.


I invite legitimate discussion on this topic. Please adhere to the intent of the thread and don't turn it into a flame chamber.
thats ridiculous. talk about being a whiner....
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      11-25-2016, 05:30 PM   #8
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Of course they're a cult, it's the hive mentality. Outside of major US cities where people live their entire lives on top of one another, nobody thinks the way these nutjobs do. Liberalism is a hive mentality cult.
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It's really about human nature: "Mob" mentality. Unfortunately humans throughout history, as a group, will act as a mob - which fits the description originally posted.

This is part of the beauty of our system of government- it's not mob rule.

In today's world, however, liberals have co-opted a mob mentality far more than conservatives. It's even being led by 99.9% of Academia, which makes it more dangerous; critical thought has largely been abandoned in schools and universities, in favor of a communistic agenda.
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never underestimate the power of large numbers dumb/ignorant people
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I would also bold #8. There are many times libs/dems think the US is failing or has failed at protecting the planet, creating equality, caring for immigrants, etc. which leads them to thinking they (or we as a country) have not been doing a good job and could do better.
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Though I was blasted before the election, at least I was able to converse with liberal friends. Today, there is no conversation that can be had with any of them (not one, including my 25 y.o. daughter), without irrational, personal slander/attacks, and disrespective behavior.

I think the conversation is a good one.
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I think there's a lot of merit to this post. I consider myself a moderate meaning I can see both sides and don't always agree with everything on the right. I do vote republican most of the time because it aligns better with my beliefs. However, I am dumbfounded that every single liberal that I know refuses to admit any fault from a left candidate. They continue to bury their head when anything factual or negative comes out. I've never seen more intelligent people just completely deny something that is true.
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For me, I think it's that progressive/progressive-leaning people claim their objectives as the moral high ground, and use this as a "the ends justify the means." Nothing they or their party do is wrong, because it's all done in the name of helping those who need it. The perspective is that their policies and ideals help people, while the evil capitalists want only to care for themselves.

Henry Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson is one of my favorite books, and has some fantastic examples of why people think the way that they do. He points out that so many economic fallacies become common thought because they are simple to explain, sound reasonable, and at first glance make sense. The truths are often more complicated and difficult to explain, resulting in people becoming bored and disinterested. They don't care about getting the full perspective, they don't want to hear the truth. If they can grasp the concept of something that sounds noble in five minutes, they'll happily stick to it.
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I think there's a lot of merit to this post. I consider myself a moderate meaning I can see both sides and don't always agree with everything on the right. I do vote republican most of the time because it aligns better with my beliefs. However, I am dumbfounded that every single liberal that I know refuses to admit any fault from a left candidate. They continue to bury their head when anything factual or negative comes out. I've never seen more intelligent people just completely deny something that is true.
I can see the points on both sides. Some things I am vocal and believe strongly about such as racism, hate and such as they directly impact the people around me. Other things such as protectionism, immigration and trade barriers/agreements I can take either side depending on the specific argument.

But there are legitimate concerns from the Trump voters side that need to be addressed - such as creating good jobs for people who've been left behind in the current economy. There isn't a easy solution to these problems but the far left doesn't even want to talk about it. When I try to bring it up, they talk about how backwards people are and how they need to change... which is not a economic solution, it's just a rant about social norms. When I push further about what we can do to give jobs to coal miners, other blue and white collar jobs that have disappeared, they have no answer.

They talk about how everyone should go get a college education and get a "real" job... that's great but isn't an option for everyone. The guy who is in his 50s and supporting a family isn't going to have the time or money to get a college education - nor will anyone want to hire him after he has his college diploma. It really isn't an actionable thing.

Anyway, I don't think there's an easy solution to the economy and jobs. But it should be a discussion we should have. The far left would rather not talk about it.
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I can see the points on both sides. Some things I am vocal and believe strongly about such as racism, hate and such as they directly impact the people around me.

But there are legitimate concerns from the Trump voters side that need to be addressed - such as creating good jobs for people who've been left behind in the current economy. There isn't a easy solution to these problems but the far left doesn't even want to talk about it. When I try to bring it up, they talk about how backwards people are and how they need to change... which is not a economic solution, it's just a rant about social norms. When I push further about what we can do to give jobs to coal miners, other blue and white collar jobs that have disappeared, they have no answer.

They talk about how everyone should go get a college education and get a "real" job... that's great but isn't an option for everyone. The guy who is in his 50s and supporting a family isn't going to have the time or money to get a college education - nor will anyone want to hire him after he has his college diploma. It really isn't an actionable thing.

Anyway, I don't think there's an easy solution to the economy and jobs. But it should be a discussion we should have. The far left would rather not talk about it.
Yup this is exactly what I was addressing some time ago.
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I know what you mean, have you seen a Trump rally? lol
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They don't care about getting the full perspective, they don't want to hear the truth.
"You can't handle the truth"

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Another example of this is some of the liberal comments I've been seeing. Instead of dealing with the results, they are applauding the recount and saying how Trump is whining and being a baby. What??? How about admitting what a waste of time this is and how desperate the Dems look for backing this. Amazing.
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and if HRC won? you'd all be apoplectic and demanding recounts. lol. be at walmart stocking up on ammo.
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and if HRC won? you'd all be apoplectic and demanding recounts. lol. be at walmart stocking up on ammo.
I'm going to respond to this and remind you that The DNC, HRC, and the MSM., have already tampered with their primaries. It is perfectly reasonable to question any action that this triumvirate take with respect to any election activities. As I've said in other threads, 'If they will do this they will do this to one of their own (SANDERS), there is no limit to what they will do to a political enemy.'
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I'm going to respond to this and remind you that The DNC, HRC, and the MSM., have already tampered with their primaries. It is perfectly reasonable to question any action that this triumvirate take with respect to any election activities. As I've said in other threads, 'If they will do this they will do this to one of their own (SANDERS), there is no limit to what they will do to a political enemy.'
Had to look up that word. Very impressive use!
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