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      11-05-2017, 09:06 AM   #221
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Clearly you do care and it does matter as you took the time to post it and suggest a conspiracy is afoot. Let's take this one conspiracy at a time, shall we? Don't try to change the subject and say it doesn't matter or deflect to another conspiracy theory. The video suggests that the guy is a crisis actor and your posting it suggests you agree. So stop deflecting and answer the question. If the guy being interviewed is acting, then what's the reason? He's not her dad, he's an actor? She's not actually dead? She never existed in the first place? Which is it?

OK, OK, I tried not to get sucked into the David Wheeler thing but it's so f*cking obvious that those are two different people that I cant help myself but comment. So the "theory" is that there's some massive conspiracy to fake a school shooting and hire actors to portray the parents, police, first responders, etc. But somehow, inexplicably, they ran out of actors and had to double up on SWAT/Parents? Really? That's so laughably insane it's almost funny if it weren't for the fact that we are talking about 20 dead kids. Oh, but that's right, all those kids at the school are paid 8 year old actors who have all managed to somehow keep their mouths shut about what they were hired to do. Seriously?

Anyway, back to Wheeler Just use your F*CKING EYES! Two chubby white guys. I'll give ya that. The ears are different, the noses are different, the eyebrows are different, the mouths are different.

I answer you by stating us public was aware Through Congressional Investigations 1970's of Direct CIA manipulation of Print,Media & Entertainment Industry aka "Psychological Ops" or "Psy Ops". Spending $1B in today's dollars on those operations. Anyone who wants to educate themselves on the "Conspiracy Facts" not "Theory" they can start here:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7#post22383017

The question you ask about the "Dads" role can only be answered by having full knowledge of the entire " Psy Ops" and same holds true for David Wheeler role in Sandy Hook.

However, knowing the historical context of the CIA's/Deep Stat Media' Manipulation.... someone with half an investigative Brain, can was those clips and deduce that Things are "off" and there is more to this event then we are being led to believe by MSM. I encourage those to watch the full length vidoe (30min) of David Wheeler, as decide for yourselves.

To Directly answer the Picture/claims you posted about D. Wheeler:

1. You "Ear Lobe" Pic proves nothing....He has a military helmet on which has is putting pressure on the top of his ear, there is also strap behind his hear that appears to be placing pressure directly on his ear & lobe
2. His Chin is Covered by a helmet strap as well
3. His Eyebrows appear "furrowed" in the comparison pic
4. Lastly Its not a far stretch to deduce that some hollywood style facial make/up manipulation could have been applied by "Psy ops" team to Wheeler on the day of , to help mask his identity?

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I'm done posting here , but before I go I leave you with this parting gift, This is one of my favorite Crisis Actors Clips of all time. Its almost comical how 1 hour after the buildings collapse he has the official "NIST investigation" story laid out for viewers, and is already calling it "Ground Zero" .....plus the Men Balck CIA Guy at the end who speaks enjoy

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kitesurfer, you have shown your true colors and it is appalling what you are pushing with this stuff. Leave these people alone that have gone through the worst thing any parent could ever go through.

It is truly truly sick, you and the people that think like you should be ashamed, but there is no shame there is nothing but selfishness with arrogant wannabes such as yourselves.

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I answer you by stating us public was aware Through Congressional Investigations 1970's of Direct CIA manipulation of Print,Media & Entertainment Industry aka "Psychological Ops" or "Psy Ops". Spending $1B in today's dollars on those operations. Anyone who wants to educate themselves on the "Conspiracy Facts" not "Theory" they can start here:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7#post22383017

The question you ask about the "Dads" role can only be answered by having full knowledge of the entire " Psy Ops" and same holds true for David Wheeler role in Sandy Hook.

However, knowing the historical context of the CIA's/Deep Stat Media' Manipulation.... someone with half an investigative Brain, can was those clips and deduce that Things are "off" and there is more to this event then we are being led to believe by MSM. I encourage those to watch the full length vidoe (30min) of David Wheeler, as decide for yourselves.

To Directly answer the Picture/claims you posted about D. Wheeler:

1. You "Ear Lobe" Pic proves nothing....He has a military helmet on which has is putting pressure on the top of his ear, there is also strap behind his hear that appears to be placing pressure directly on his ear & lobe
2. His Chin is Covered by a helmet strap as well
3. His Eyebrows appear "furrowed" in the comparison pic
4. Lastly Its not a far stretch to deduce that some hollywood style facial make/up manipulation could have been applied by "Psy ops" team to Wheeler on the day of , to help mask his identity?
So in the mind of you, all of the above shit seems more plausable then two people looking similar? Seriously? Smh, the more time I spend on the internet, the more I fear for the future of our species.
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So in the mind of you, all of the above shit seems more plausable then two people looking similar? Seriously? Smh, the more time I spend on the internet, the more I fear for the future of our species.
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kitesurfer, you have shown your true colors and it is appalling what you are pushing with this stuff. Leave these people alone that have gone through the worst thing any parent could ever go through.

It is truly truly sick, you and the people that think like you should be ashamed, but there is no shame there is nothing but selfishness with arrogant wannabes such as yourselves.
Couldn't agree more. It's a sick, sick, hobby.
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I answer you by stating us public was aware Through Congressional Investigations 1970's of Direct CIA manipulation of Print,Media & Entertainment Industry aka "Psychological Ops" or "Psy Ops". Spending $1B in today's dollars on those operations. Anyone who wants to educate themselves on the "Conspiracy Facts" not "Theory" they can start here:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7#post22383017

The question you ask about the "Dads" role can only be answered by having full knowledge of the entire " Psy Ops" and same holds true for David Wheeler role in Sandy Hook.

However, knowing the historical context of the CIA's/Deep Stat Media' Manipulation.... someone with half an investigative Brain, can was those clips and deduce that Things are "off" and there is more to this event then we are being led to believe by MSM. I encourage those to watch the full length vidoe (30min) of David Wheeler, as decide for yourselves.

To Directly answer the Picture/claims you posted about D. Wheeler:

1. You "Ear Lobe" Pic proves nothing....He has a military helmet on which has is putting pressure on the top of his ear, there is also strap behind his hear that appears to be placing pressure directly on his ear & lobe
2. His Chin is Covered by a helmet strap as well
3. His Eyebrows appear "furrowed" in the comparison pic
4. Lastly Its not a far stretch to deduce that some hollywood style facial make/up manipulation could have been applied by "Psy ops" team to Wheeler on the day of , to help mask his identity?
Yes, you nailed it, Inspector Gadget. You just blew this wide open. Wheeler had a Hollywood psy ops make up team glue a prosthetic earlobe on to mask his identity when he was in SWAT character. Thats' without a doubt what's going on here. You literally have no idea how crazy you sound.


My last post on the subject:

I find the targets of your investigative, conspiracy theory, hobby completely reprehensible. You want to go try to debunk the Lunar moon landing? Fine. Go for it. Want to prove the Bermuda Triangle is a CIA conspiracy? Great. Go to town on Area 51, by all means. But when it comes to picking apart the murder of a bunch of little kids, just keep that sh*t under you tinfoil hat.

It's your right to post this crap but I'd hope you give pause to consider the impacts of perpetuating this garbage. I'm not going to be a party to this any longer. Good day.

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Same guy? Nope just a doppelgšnger.
If you do a 1000x zoom on the guy on the right, his left eye has a triangle in the middle. Illuminati confirmed.
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Dr. Phil ...Can you show some me your MD or PHD degree which qualifies you to make this statement? ...So its normal to go from smiling and Joking, the day after your daughter dies and appearing very alert, not despondent.... to whatever you want to call his routine "getting into character".
As a parent i can say even smaller things makes us react weirdly. My friend's baby turned blue, and my friend walked in to a shower so she'd be clean when they go to the hospital. She was fully clothed, and in my house. I laughed and waved happily to people in my own father's funeral who kept calling me a murderer.

My friend spent a year in a hospital with her son . She just couldn't process the first hit, and her baby was alive. She has now for nine years handled every emergency better, but she has no memory of that first one, where as I have nightmares of that and i don't remember my dad's funeral.

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I can't. Mine only goes to 900. You have the more powerful version.
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Man, there's not enough popcorn in the world for this thread.

What happened on November 4th? I thought Antifa were supposed to be starting a civil war?

It must suck for conspiracy nutters hearing about stuff like that, I mean especially after Barack HUSSEIN Obama took their guns 'n all.

Who knew that the residents of 55 Savushkina Street, St Petersburg could be so succesful at skewing the narratives both in the US(Trump) and the UK(Brexit).

I'm just waiting for the media to stop calling it a Russian Troll Factory and call it what it is. Cyber warfare.

For anyone with the presence of mind to realise what's happening in the world right now, you should familiarise yourself with the Gerasimov Doctrine, and The Foundations of Geopolitics by Aleksandr Dugin then consider why BLM and the Alt-Right are in the media so much, not to mention Jenna Abrams, a Russian creation re-tweeted by the Trump administration themselves.

Watching Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis is another good shout as it describes how media narratives are created in Russia itself. Putin funds both extreme left anarchists and right wing nazi types and sets them against each other in the media. This same technique is now at play in the UK and US medias.

Cut the strings folks. We're being played.

What use is democracy when the truth doesn't exist?

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To the guys that want to crucify me, I had my wife look at some of the clips and we debated it for a bit , and I can see where you logic does make sense. Perhaps they are just two similar looking guys that is the most logical explanation. I mean we can argue both sides but in reality you cannot see enough of the arm guys face to make a true comparison. And yes the dopplerganger picture you posted gives it some perspective. As for the Father speaking video , you are right I don't know how someone would behave ...so maybe the odd behavior is justified.
I think I have been down too many Rabbit holes with all these youtube clips, and have been looking for the conspiracy rather than looking objectively at some of this stuff...
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To the guys that want to crucify me, I had my wife look at some of the clips and we debated it for a bit , and I can see where you logic does make sense. Perhaps they are just two similar looking guys that is the most logical explanation. I mean we can argue both sides but in reality you cannot see enough of the arm guys face to make a true comparison. And yes the dopplerganger picture you posted gives it some perspective. As for the Father speaking video , you are right I don't know how someone would behave ...so maybe the odd behavior is justified.
I think I have been down too many Rabbit holes with all these youtube clips, and have been looking for the conspiracy rather than looking objectively at some of this stuff...
Not looking to crucify you by any means. You just hit a nerve. Thanks for being open to pressing pause and re-evaluating things. I apologize for coming in hot with my responses to you. As I said, you just struck a nerve with me.
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To the guys that want to crucify me, I had my wife look at some of the clips and we debated it for a bit , and I can see where you logic does make sense. Perhaps they are just two similar looking guys that is the most logical explanation. I mean we can argue both sides but in reality you cannot see enough of the arm guys face to make a true comparison. And yes the dopplerganger picture you posted gives it some perspective. As for the Father speaking video , you are right I don't know how someone would behave ...so maybe the odd behavior is justified.
I think I have been down too many Rabbit holes with all these youtube clips, and have been looking for the conspiracy rather than looking objectively at some of this stuff...
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Not looking to crucify you by any means. You just hit a nerve. Thanks for being open to pressing pause and re-evaluating things. I apologize for coming in hot with my responses to you. As I said, you just struck a nerve with me.
Gentlemen, you win the Tag-Team Internet of the Day. Congratulations!!

We are all human beings on the other side of the keyboard and whilst things may get a little hot sometimes, we should always strive to remember we are just people trying to have a bit of fun.

Disclaimer: I will always jack with Lups because no one wants that Bull crap King of the Internet Bull crap. Go away, vile usurper.

Ok. Back to conviviality and good feelings!
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To the guys that want to crucify me, I had my wife look at some of the clips and we debated it for a bit , and I can see where you logic does make sense. Perhaps they are just two similar looking guys that is the most logical explanation. I mean we can argue both sides but in reality you cannot see enough of the arm guys face to make a true comparison. And yes the dopplerganger picture you posted gives it some perspective. As for the Father speaking video , you are right I don't know how someone would behave ...so maybe the odd behavior is justified.
I think I have been down too many Rabbit holes with all these youtube clips, and have been looking for the conspiracy rather than looking objectively at some of this stuff...
Mark today down in the books. SOmeone in a political forum admitted that they may have been incorrect about something. Bravo, sir.
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I think he is like the National Equirer. Every once in a while he will have a good, factual story to make you wonder if the rest of the BS he peddles is real. If you can accept that he sells real and fake news to suit his agenda, just like every other media outlet, it makes more sense.

I think we currently like to categorize media in a binary fashion, fake or not fake. But I think all media gives you both real and fake news. I also think the main problem with media nowadays are there is a lot more opinion pieces and they are presented in such a way that listeners think thatís just how it is when itís really just the announcerís or outletís view.
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I think we currently like to categorize media in a binary fashion, fake or not fake.
Unless you think he perjured himself, Jones already admitted under oath that his shit is fake and his persona is just a character.

Happy to take the binary view with people like Jones, with the caveat that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

On the whole I agree though, we need a much more nuanced approach to news media by the public and a much more nuanced news media.

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I agree 100%. Presenting opinion as fact is dangerous, equally presenting only opinion is dangerous, regardless of the political camp it's being broadcast from.

Harks back to my comment earlier "what use is democracy when the truth doesn't exist?". Democracy relies on the people, who rely on facts to make their decisions at the ballot. In an age where truth and fact are obscured, we enter the realm of feels over reals.

Our TV news media in the UK is pretty heavily regulated, resulting in pretty fair and balanced coverage with little to no agenda(bar the kind of external fuckery that's being uncovered emenating from St Petersburg). The BBC is an exception where it will provide stark balance even in the event of one side being utterly correct, much to its detriment I might add.

How would you propose dealing with this kind of issue in the US, where 1A is pretty much godly and untouchable?
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Unless you think he perjured himself, Jones already admitted under oath that his shit is fake and his persona is just a character.

Happy to take the binary view with people like Jones, with the caveat that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

On the whole I agree though, we need a much more nuanced approach to news media by the public and a much more nuanced news media.



I agree 100%. Presenting opinion as fact is dangerous, equally presenting only opinion is dangerous, regardless of the political camp it's being broadcast from.

Harks back to my comment earlier "what use is democracy when the truth doesn't exist?". Democracy relies on the people, who rely on facts to make their decisions at the ballot. In an age where truth and fact are obscured, we enter the realm of feels over reals.

Our TV news media in the UK is pretty heavily regulated, resulting in pretty fair and balanced coverage with little to no agenda(bar the kind of external fuckery that's being uncovered emenating from St Petersburg). The BBC is an exception where it will provide stark balance even in the event of one side being utterly correct, much to its detriment I might add.

How would you propose dealing with this kind of issue in the US, where 1A is pretty much godly and untouchable?
I am not an attorney, but I think simply applying numerous laws could help curb some of the abuse. When dealing with news stories on people, libel/slander laws exist but it's a David vs. Goliath type problem. We need to increase the risk new outlets take that they will have extremely heavy penalties for ruining people based on lack of evidence or sources not properly vetted. On other fronts, you could go after media for subversion/overthrow of the government etc. I am pretty sure there are laws for that. The challenge will be to prove it. And for opinion pieces, we could require a notification as mentioned earlier in the post.
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