Upgrading from E92 to the F82

[BigGbigO]

I own a 2008 E92 that I have been extremely happy with over the course of my ownership. I paid ~ $64K for the car fully loaded in 08 and of course it is fully paid for now. I am struggling with deciding if the new F82 offers enough new excitement to go into debt purchasing one?

Who else has made the upgrade and are you satisfied with your investment?

[kdphan]

Originally Posted by BigGbigO

I own a 2008 E92 that I have been extremely happy with over the course of my ownership. I paid ~ $64K for the car fully loaded in 08 and of course it is fully paid for now. I am struggling with deciding if the new F82 offers enough new excitement to go into debt purchasing one?

Who else has made the upgrade and are you satisfied with your investment?

I wouldn't call it an investment. More of a toy...

I too had an '08 e92. F80 is easier for daily driving for sure.

and the torque

[BigGbigO]

Originally Posted by kdphan

I wouldn't call it an investment. More of a toy...

I too had an '08 e92. F80 is easier for daily driving for sure.

and the torque

You are exactly right, it is a toy! I've had 11 BMW's and it's hard to imagine not having one in the drive way, but I'm intrigued by other less expensive toys like the current Vette. Entirely different vehicle, but it blows away the M4 in comparison and can probably be had easily for $10K less or more.

It's always helpful to get insight from people that have already taken the plunge!

[ASAP]

The vette blows away? In what way sir?

Not in build quality, not in tranny, not in straighline speed, not in practicality and not really around the curves... so what then?

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by BigGbigO

You are exactly right, it is a toy! I've had 11 BMW's and it's hard to imagine not having one in the drive way, but I'm intrigued by other less expensive toys like the current Vette. Entirely different vehicle, but it blows away the M4 in comparison and can probably be had easily for $10K less or more.

It's always helpful to get insight from people that have already taken the plunge!

I have driven both Z51 vette and M4. The corvette is simply more fun to drive. plus its got a big V8 that sounds pretty good. The corvettes interior is also very "doable". its not bad at all. you have to get the Z51 package though. I also thought the corvette was way sexier.

The M4 is honestly a hell of a car though. Most here would pick the m4 for two reasons.
-need back seats
-its a BMW

I think the corvette is worth a look if you dont need the back seats. There are a few guys who use to own E92s and or F80 who went from a stingray/ or to a stingray. I am sure they could help you out.

there are threads in both E90 section and F80 section about this.

[kdphan]

Originally Posted by BigGbigO

You are exactly right, it is a toy! I've had 11 BMW's and it's hard to imagine not having one in the drive way, but I'm intrigued by other less expensive toys like the current Vette. Entirely different vehicle, but it blows away the M4 in comparison and can probably be had easily for $10K less or more.

It's always helpful to get insight from people that have already taken the plunge!

Vette doesn't really blow it away.

I chose M3 since it was jack of all trades (4dr, MT, haul ass, looks good, and FUN)

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

The vette blows away? In what way sir?

Not in build quality, not in tranny, not in straighline speed, not in practicality and not really around the curves... so what then?

In a straight and on track the Vette is quite a bit faster. As for build quality, m3 with full leather is slightly better but no benchmark in that arena. Transmission, both manuals are decent at best, and dct is good but still not the best dual clutch either.

Track Corvette Stingray M4
Hockenheim Short 1:11.50 1:12.80
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:38.28 1:39.69
Contidrom 1:31.62 1:34.41
Willow Springs - Streets of Willow 1:24.60 1:23.73
Sachsenring 1:35.53 1:37.74
Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:11.60 1:12.50
Castle Combe 1:14.30 1:16.80
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:21.72 1:23.72
Ring Knutstrop (Conf 2) 1:10.70 1:13.00
Moscow Raceway GP 1:58.00 1:57.20
Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) 2:53.80 3:00.70
Motown Mile 0:54.80 0:57.47
Motortrend Figure-8 0:23.90 0:24.20

I personally wouldnt buy a C7, but for 60K, that thing moves and eclipses the M4 in any performance aspect.

[dkhm3]

please buy a vette.

end of discussion.

[BigGbigO]

Originally Posted by kdphan

Vette doesn't really blow it away.

I chose M3 since it was jack of all trades (4dr, MT, haul ass, looks good, and FUN)

But the Corvette Stingray costs less, has more power and torque, weighs less and is probably the better driver's car. The build quality and interior design have both improved leaps and bounds. The Corvette also gets astonishing fuel efficiency in economy mode. The vette is less suited for being a daily driver despite the fact that it gets great gas mileage.

[RowanBuds]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

In a straight and on track the Vette is quite a bit faster. As for build quality, m3 with full leather is slightly better but no benchmark in that arena. Transmission, both manuals are decent at best, and dct is good but still not the best dual clutch either.

Genuine curiosity, what would you call the best dual clutch box, if excluding the F-car box? Every P-car to F8x review I've seen seems to hold a higher regard for the M-DCT than the PDK, and to my knowledge the PDK has been the gold standard dual-clutch unit (in cars under a quarter mil) for quite a few years.

[kdphan]

Originally Posted by BigGbigO

But the Corvette Stingray costs less, has more power and torque, weighs less and is probably the better driver's car. The build quality and interior design have both improved leaps and bounds. The Corvette also gets astonishing fuel efficiency in economy mode. The vette is less suited for being a daily driver despite the fact that it gets great gas mileage.

my build was $67.5k but I bought for $63k

The Z51 build for the Corvette was around $65k from what I remember. But i'm sure people can get $6k off a corvette.

So in the end, prices are very similar.

Surprisingly, I was able to get 26.x mpg on a 400miles road trip with the M3. I wasn't driving it easy or anything either.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by RowanBuds

Genuine curiosity, what would you call the best dual clutch box, if excluding the F-car box? Every P-car to F8x review I've seen seems to hold a higher regard for the M-DCT than the PDK, and to my knowledge the PDK has been the gold standard dual-clutch unit (in cars under a quarter mil) for quite a few years.

Personally I like PDK best Ferrari included which Chris Harris also said in his comparo of the GT3 and speciale. Only place I've heard dct favored is here with an obvious bias. The PDK-S in a friends GT3 easily surpassed anything I've owned or driven and most would agree with that.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

In a straight and on track the Vette is quite a bit faster. As for build quality, m3 with full leather is slightly better but no benchmark in that arena. Transmission, both manuals are decent at best, and dct is good but still not the best dual clutch either.

Track Corvette Stingray M4
Hockenheim Short 1:11.50 1:12.80
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:38.28 1:39.69
Contidrom 1:31.62 1:34.41
Willow Springs - Streets of Willow 1:24.60 1:23.73
Sachsenring 1:35.53 1:37.74
Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:11.60 1:12.50
Castle Combe 1:14.30 1:16.80
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:21.72 1:23.72
Ring Knutstrop (Conf 2) 1:10.70 1:13.00
Moscow Raceway GP 1:58.00 1:57.20
Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) 2:53.80 3:00.70
Motown Mile 0:54.80 0:57.47
Motortrend Figure-8 0:23.90 0:24.20

I personally wouldnt buy a C7, but for 60K, that thing moves and eclipses the M4 in any performance aspect.

Straightline is near identical looking at trap speeds... curves, well one is a 4 seat 4 door car... and yes BMW dct is the best. Also, you have an F80... but it sounds like you are in that group that's on here that should have gotten a Porsche.

[RowanBuds]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

Personally I like PDK best Ferrari included which Chris Harris also said in his comparo of the GT3 and speciale. Only place I've heard dct favored is here with an obvious bias. The PDK-S in a friends GT3 easily surpassed anything I've owned or driven and most would agree with that.

Thanks! I'll have to check out a PDK car when shopping for my next toy.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Straightline is near identical looking at trap speeds... curves, well one is a 4 seat 4 door car... and yes BMW dct is the best. Also, you have an F80... but it sounds like you are in that group that's on here that should have gotten a Porsche.

While trap speed are a good indicator, here is what a stock c7 did to a Dinan tuned M4.

http://www.corvettevideos.tv/corvett...e-c7-stingray/

The fact that a C7 can pull it given the M4 is making a lot more is a true statement to how potent it is in stock form.

I like the M3, but its certainly no 991, base or otherwise. Speed can never take the place of feel, feedback and pure athleticism in what is a very good GT car. The 991 moved the game of GT and Sports Cars ahead to epic levels. I am excited to see how they implement turbos considering the 911 turbo has always been a favorite car to me. It's the ideal DD and weekend track supercar.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

Personally I like PDK best Ferrari included which Chris Harris also said in his comparo of the GT3 and speciale. Only place I've heard dct favored is here with an obvious bias. The PDK-S in a friends GT3 easily surpassed anything I've owned or driven and most would agree with that.

Only people who favor PDK over Ferrari double clutch are people who never drove one and are biased towards Porsche.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by dgp

Only people who favor PDK over Ferrari double clutch are people who never drove one and are biased towards Porsche.

I've driven both. Have two friends, one with a GT3 and 458, the other just sold a GT3 for a GT3 RS delivery soon) and also just sold his Speciale and both prefer the PDK-S. It was after I drove all of them that I could see as I would have said given who the cars are made by they were close.

I guess Chris Harris is basied and knows nothing SMH.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

I've driven both and still prefer the PDK.

I guess Chris Harris is basied and knows nothing SMH.

You've driven a Ferrari and a Porsche and chose an M3 instead and yet you're still here on a BMW forum saying Porsche is the best? What's wrong with this picture?

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by dgp

You've driven a Ferrari and a Porsche and chose an M3 instead and yet you're still here on a BMW forum saying Porsche is the best? What's wrong with this picture?

They belonged to two friend of mine. Seems you're making assumptions and taking things out of context, no?

[dgp]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

They belonged to two friend of mine. Seems you're making assumptions and taking things out of context, no?

Nice, you just edited your comments....

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by dgp

Nice, you just edited your comments....

Never said I owned them. I was actually clarifying when your responded because I knew someone would make an assumption.

[///F80M3]

It seems like you have your mind made up, just go get the vette.