[jkoral]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

I'd call it lacking (oil temp, pressure)...
Drives: '11 135i , '15 X3 35i

Especially since your 135i has an Oil temperature gauge and the M2 has the stupid EfficientDynamics (at least it can be turned off, but then leaves a gaping hole where something useful, like oil temperature, should be displayed).

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by jkoral

Especially since your 135i has an Oil temperature gauge and the M2 has the stupid EfficientDynamics (at least it can be turned off, but then leaves a gaping hole where something useful, like oil temperature, should be displayed).

Yep. My X3 has the EfficientDynamics thing, that isn't much use, but still retained the oil temp gauge just above it.

My earlier cars had oil pressure as well, and if you go back far enough it was quite dynamic and not just a bit of a dummy on / off thing. It seems cars are assuming we are dumber and dumber as time goes on. They may be right.

TBH those gauges aren't really needed. But I do enjoy having them. Especially oil temp, I change my drive to work as the weather cools so it's a little farther and takes a little longer so I can be sure I've warmed it up.

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd call it lacking (oil temp, pressure) and hate it. Well, hate's too strong, but I'd be sad and annoyed.

It has an oil temp gauge.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd call it lacking (oil temp, pressure) and hate it. Well, hate's too strong, but I'd be sad and annoyed.

Tracer

I hope you didn't buy one of these god awful cars because I'd hate to see you distressed over a missing oil temp gauge, hate's too strong a word; annoyed let's say

... oh wait, apparently it does have oil temp, okay, let's try pressure

[paquet]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

There is just something so elegant and simplified in the M2 Comp gauges. I love it.

i do like that it shows you what door is open - seems that's been missing nowadays after the initial engine startup?

[tracer bullet]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

It has an oil temp gauge.

Good. Didn't look like it from the picture.

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Tracer

I hope you didn't buy one of these god awful cars because I'd hate to see you distressed over a missing oil temp gauge, hate's too strong a word; annoyed let's say

... oh wait, apparently it does have oil temp, okay, let's try pressure

Like I said, the pic didn't show it. And I'd hate it if it were true but I'm sure love the rest. We could try and be sure, want to trade?

I've got nothing against M2's, don't take it the wrong way. Would LOVE to have one. Considering one in fact. Just have to convince the wife. She's not going for it so far though.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Good. Didn't look like it from the picture.

Like I said, the pic didn't show it. And I'd hate it if it were true but I'm sure love the rest. We could try and be sure, want to trade?

I've got nothing against M2's, don't take it the wrong way. Would LOVE to have one. Considering one in fact. Just have to convince the wife. She's not going for it so far though.

I feel for you, after much consideration between the wife and the M2CS, ......


......well, the CS won

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by tracer bullet

Good. Didn't look like it from the picture.

Because it's not part of the gauge cluster, they stashed it as one of the options in the OBC and this only started in the LCI model. The pre-LCI models (like mine) have a combination oil/water "measurement" with words like COLD, OK and HOT.

If they had to put the oil temp in the OBC (which feels like an afterthought), they could also have included coolant temp.

One of the reasons why many folks install the P3 or Awron vent gauges to display all those values and more.

[W///]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Please make it so.

Way too early, but those latest pics show sunken in wheels like on the G8x that look terrible. Pop those suckers out.

Note that these test cars are running winter tires (as you can see from the threads), so they are automatically narrower than what will be on the final product.

Regardless, I don't know any modern BMW that doesn't benefit from spacers, so this is not a deal breaker by any means.

Plus let's be honest, most of us will be looking at aftermarket wheels anyway

[kyrix1st]

I wonder what their excuse would be for dropping DCT this time when the base car has likely less power than previous gen M4 and RWD only.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I wonder what their excuse would be for dropping DCT this time when the base car has likely less power than previous gen M4 and RWD only.

Their excuse for the G8X doesn't even make sense considering the F1X M5 and M6 had DCT's in all variants, and they even had a manual available too, so they could have definitely paired the manual with the comp G8X trim, and had continued the DCT. I think it came down to the cost of pairing the DCT with the xDrive system and the fact that its all around cheaper to use the ZF. The argument that the DCT can't handle the power is pure BS, just like the argument that they need big grills for cooling.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Their excuse for the G8X doesn't even make sense considering the F1X M5 and M6 had DCT's in all variants, and they even had a manual available too, so they could have definitely paired the manual with the comp G8X trim, and had continued the DCT. I think it came down to the cost of pairing the DCT with the xDrive system and the fact that its all around cheaper to use the ZF. The argument that the DCT can't handle the power is pure BS, just like the argument that they need big grills for cooling.

I know with G8x they had excuse with AWD, trickle down from M5 powertrain. Not so much the case here with many loving the hardcore characteristics of the current F87 M2, which can never be replicated with a slushbox.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Currently there is no Ferrari that is built in China and no Porsche being built in Vietnam...yet

I doubt that will ever happen to Ferrari as their market positioning requires them to be exclusive in every aspect. Made in China goes against that positioning. In fact the market in China demands that Ferrari are to be made in Italy and Porsche GT cars are to be made in Germany. They are buying the allusion of opulence, technology is secondary.

In every Asian market, people psychologically want anything that they buy with a foreign brand name to be made overseas (not in China or SE, Japan is good), let alone a luxurious product. Imagine a Patek Philippe being made in China or Vietnam? Just not going to happen

I believe that you are wrong. Any car mahufacturer that wanted to be in China was forced to open a factory in China, hire chinese and own 49% of the shares while another company with a Chinese name and under the Chinese Comunist Party owns 51%.

If you want to sell there you need to give up your know how and all your blueprints to be copy pasted.
Just saying

I avoid Chinese products anytime I can and rather not have it than buy something made in there.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

I believe that you are wrong. Any car mahufacturer that wanted to be in China was forced to open a factory in China, hire chinese and own 49% of the shares while another company with a Chinese name and under the Chinese Comunist Party owns 51%.

If you want to sell there you need to give up your know how and all your blueprints to be copy pasted.
Just saying

I avoid Chinese products anytime I can and rather not have it than buy something made in there.

Nope you are wrong...joint venture yes, forced to open a plant is plain wrong.

All Ferrari in China are imported

Come on, anyone in China & HK rich enough to buy a Ferrari will not buy a Ferrari that is made in China...

https://ferraris-online.com/the-brav...aris-in-china/

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

I believe that you are wrong. Any car mahufacturer that wanted to be in China was forced to open a factory in China, hire chinese and own 49% of the shares while another company with a Chinese name and under the Chinese Comunist Party owns 51%.

If you want to sell there you need to give up your know how and all your blueprints to be copy pasted.
Just saying

I avoid Chinese products anytime I can and rather not have it than buy something made in there.

lol

I own a domain called www.NoMoreChineseCrap.com

different reason, same outcome; I hate buying shit that dies after five minutes

[paquet]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

There is just something so elegant and simplified in the M2 Comp gauges. I love it.

i like the overall layout except for the 'M2' - to me, it should just say 'M'

[stefan]

Wow looking good. I will probably be trading my comp in for this if it debuts in manual. Very hard to say which markets will get what. The rear takes queues from the Supra and I think it really works--though it isn't traditional.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Nope you are wrong...joint venture yes, forced to open a plant is plain wrong.

All Ferrari in China are imported

Come on, anyone in China & HK rich enough to buy a Ferrari will not buy a Ferrari that is made in China...

https://ferraris-online.com/the-brav...aris-in-china/

I was not talking about Ferrari. I was talknig about companies that want to make business in China. Ferrari doesnt have that so Chinese burn them in different way. A $260k US spec Ferrari is sold in China for $750k.
To sell to the rest that are not super rich and appeal to the huge population in there you need to do what I have mentioned.
you can read all over if you want to.
There you go:

http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat...1/item360.html

https://www.kwm.com/en/de/knowledge/...ector-20200414

[ried]

The Chinese Communist Party always wants their cut, a piece of the action... or they make it impossible to do business there.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by ried

The Chinese Communist Party always wants their cut, a piece of the action... or they make it impossible to do business there.

It's got nothing to do with the COMMUNIST PARTY.

It's good business sense and many countries do it not just China; try Singapore or Indonesia, try opening a business in Dubai, but to name a few.

In Australia we pay a hefty tax on cars and we are not a communist country.

If you want to keep your people in front, you keep foreign ownership at a distance, simple.

Of course, there are many variables that come into play such as corruption and cronyism but that too is no different to US, Europe, or Australia.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

I was not talking about Ferrari. I was talknig about companies that want to make business in China. Ferrari doesnt have that so Chinese burn them in different way. A $260k US spec Ferrari is sold in China for $750k.
To sell to the rest that are not super rich and appeal to the huge population in there you need to do what I have mentioned.
you can read all over if you want to.
There you go:

http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat...1/item360.html

https://www.kwm.com/en/de/knowledge/...ector-20200414

Well I was talking about Ferrari...right?

I am sure other industries in China have their own rules to be obliged by any foreign company. If they don't like it, don't go there and do business, right? But shit, money talks and if we talking about the China market, shit actually talks and smells bloody nice too to all the big fat greedy shareholders and top executives.

I personally dislike any totalitarian regime and it's hilarious to see all the wall street big dogs queuing up for the RMB dough while beating the democracy drum and turn a blind eye on anything that eats into their bottom line

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

It's got nothing to do with the COMMUNIST PARTY.

It's good business sense and many countries do it not just China; try Singapore or Indonesia, try opening a business in Dubai, but to name a few.

In Australia we pay a hefty tax on cars and we are not a communist country.

If you want to keep your people in front, you keep foreign ownership at a distance, simple.

Of course, there are many variables that come into play such as corruption and cronyism but that too is no different to US, Europe, or Australia.

I thought we sold our country already...not true?