Lexus making manual trans for EVs

[DB_Cooper]

Makes an EV purchase more palatable but still doesn't make much logistical sense vs Hybrid/ ICE.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/12/le...arbox-for-evs/

[INTMD8]

Sounds horrible.

Too bad they didn't care about manual transmissions when they were building the LFA, ISF, LC500......

[wtwo3]

If EV is the future, I welcome any and all attempts at making them not excruciatingly boring to drive.

[Humdizzle]

im guessing its some type of computer controlled manual with no physical connection to the drive wheels that you can switch off when you want. never stalls, never mis shifts. similar to sim rig for a video game.

a bit too late though. they should have given the is500 and RCF a manual and dct option. their 8 speed automatics are horrible.

[INTMD8]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

their 8 speed automatics are horrible.

Agreed. The sole reason I got rid of my ISF. Completely ruined the car.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by INTMD8

Sounds horrible.

Too bad they didn't care about manual transmissions when they were building the LFA, ISF, LC500......

Sounds potentially better than a straight up EV. Early to tell how it'll be in practice, though.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

im guessing its some type of computer controlled manual with no physical connection to the drive wheels that you can switch off when you want. never stalls, never mis shifts. similar to sim rig for a video game.

a bit too late though. they should have given the is500 and RCF a manual and dct option. their 8 speed automatics are horrible.

I wouldn't say the 8 speed auto is horrible.

I have a GSF & the auto is fine in the car. It's one aspect of the entire package, which as a whole is better than an AMG E class or M5.

[INTMD8]

The 8-speed auto in mine was hopelessly laggy. Floor it to merge into traffic, one one thousand, two one thousand three.....-downshift-

Into a fast turn and floor it on exit, would not apply any power until completely straightened out.

Test drove a GSF and it felt the same to me.

Strange because the transmission in my LS430 was super responsive. (but just a 5 speed)

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

I wouldn't say the 8 speed auto is horrible.

I have a GSF the auto is fine in the car. One aspect of the entire car, which as a whole is better than an AMG E class or M5.

the 8 speed is fine for just leaving the car in auto and letting it do its thing. but when you want to push the pace on a back road it really leaves alot to be desired in terms of shift time, especially high rpm downshifts while braking hard into a corner. even the new lc500 i drove isn't as snappy as porsche pdk. but its a different type car... its not meant to pushed or see track use. its a 7/10ths car.

[________]

If they were really concerned they’d have a manual now.
Manual for EVs that have no gears is just nonsense… worse than paddle shifters for CVTs.

[M3WC]

Interesting to see where they go with it. Not going to knock something I haven't tried myself.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Interesting to see where they go with it. Not going to knock something I haven't tried myself.

Just use a racing sim setup, and it's most likely what it will feel like.

[Tuxedo]

after driving iX I could totally see the down shift/regenerative braking/coasting system have a manual type option and be more efficient than the computer. I first saw the patent file about 3yrs ago by Toyota for this and concluded it's more marketing than mechanics if I memr...

first article on the MT EV
https://www.wired.com/story/aston-ma...shift-manual/?

[nerdogray]

Should also pipe the old Pole Position arcade game audio through the speakers, as well. It'd be cheaper than paying Hans Zimmerman. It's all just arbitrary bullshit... tuxedo on a goat, except the tuxedo in this case is a clown costume.

[c1pher]

So sounds something like manual mode in a CVT.

[RM7]

Lexus making a dynamic car is either a miracle or a mistake. A manual transmission for an EV certainly does not a good car make. Porsche actually executes dynamics, regardless of the transmission...or even the engine type.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by RM7

Lexus making a dynamic car is either a miracle or a mistake. A manual transmission for an EV certainly does not a good car make. Porsche actually executes dynamics, regardless of the transmission...or even the engine type.

This statement is either myopic or straight up biased.

Lexus has made a bunch of dynamic cars over the past few years, and Toyota as a parent company of Lexus, is one of the few manufacturers with 3 "dynamic" offerings on the table right now, all with a proper manual transmission and all with an emphasis on driving dynamics.

Just bc it's German doesn't mean it's better. In fact a lot of crap &/or forgettable cars have been coming out of Germany recently.

I love BMW and Porsche but I don't get the hate that Japanese car companies get on this forum.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

This statement is either myopic or straight up biased.

Lexus has made a bunch of dynamic cars over the past few years, and Toyota as a parent company of Lexus, is one of the few manufacturers with 3 "dynamic" offerings on the table right now, all with a proper manual transmission and all with an emphasis on driving dynamics.

Just bc it's German doesn't mean it's better. In fact a lot of crap &/or forgettable cars have been coming out of Germany recently.

I love BMW and Porsche but I don't get the hate that Japanese car companies get on this forum.

When you have to make half the cars not-Lexus, you don't really help your point.

Yeah, they made the LFA. That was a unicorn...well, it wasn't even practical to produce and it was crazy overpriced. It was a good car, but it also proved this isn't something they just naturally do...posting the LFA is just proving the point too.

I'm not saying German everything is better. F-series BMWs were pretty bad for dynamics, but for Lexus to suddenly "find their way" and be making dynamic EVs? Count me suspicious...

[INTMD8]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

I love BMW and Porsche but I don't get the hate that Japanese car companies get on this forum.

I love BMW, Porsche and Lexus, just happens to mostly be older stuff.

I was even at one time a Lexus technician

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by RM7

When you have to make half the cars not-Lexus, you don't really help your point.

Yeah, they made the LFA. That was a unicorn...well, it wasn't even practical to produce and it was crazy overpriced. It was a good car, but it also proved this isn't something they just naturally do...posting the LFA is just proving the point too.

I'm not saying German everything is better. F-series BMWs were pretty bad for dynamics, but for Lexus to suddenly "find their way" and be making dynamic EVs? Count me suspicious...

The not Lexus cars listed in my post are made by Toyota which makes Lexus, guy; you're getting hung up on a label ignoring the fact that the company as a whole makes plenty of dynamic cars, which was in direct response to your statement. Toyota has a documented history of making enthusiasts sports cars and competing in professional racing. To say they can't make a dynamically capable car is again myopic at best and biased at worst.

Posting the LFA doesn't detract from the point, in fact it does the opposite. It shows just how dynamically capable a car Toyota/Lexus can make at a price that's currently is 2x - 3x the "overpriced" MSRP it debuted at.

If you're ultimate point is that Lexus isn't Toyota, then I don't know what to tell you. We are probably worlds apart in our opinions. In fact, the Toyota GR Corolla is made in the same factory as the Lexus LFA. Not sure how you can posit that they're different companies.

[R N M]

Lexus and Toyota are like an athlete with all the tools and talent to be great but has no heart or desire to be great.

Besides the LFA, none of the Lexus cars will be remembered 100 years from now.
Toyota did not make the MKV Supra and they certainly didn’t make the 86, which has almost everything from Subaru including chassis and engine.

[________]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

The not Lexus cars listed in my post are made by Toyota which makes Lexus, guy; you're getting hung up on a label ignoring the fact that the company as a whole makes plenty of dynamic cars, which was in direct response to your statement. Toyota has a documented history of making enthusiasts sports cars and competing in professional racing. To say they can't make a dynamically capable car is again myopic at best and biased at worst.

Posting the LFA doesn't detract from the point, in fact it does the opposite. It shows just how dynamically capable a car Toyota/Lexus can make at a price that's currently is 2x - 3x the "overpriced" MSRP it debuted at.

If you're ultimate point is that Lexus isn't Toyota, then I don't know what to tell you. We are probably worlds apart in our opinions. In fact, the Toyota GR Corolla is made in the same factory as the Lexus LFA. Not sure how you can posit that they're different companies.

Is the inverse also true?
I mean, Bentley makes cheap and plastic-y commuter cars that cost 20k as well?