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05-01-2023, 05:35 PM | #2157 |
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It gets colder than that, we don't all have the luxury of living somewhere that the temp remains moderate. Our government is going to force EV's down our throats regardless, and not everyone who buys an EV can afford a tesla.
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05-01-2023, 05:38 PM | #2158 | |
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Infrastructure exists for Hydrogen adoption - just replace gas pumps with hydrogen pumps. That is how it is rolled out in California. You go to the gas station and they have 1 or 2 hydrogen pumps. Unlike EV chargers, a single hydrogen pump can service 30+ cars an hour. And in the trucking industry, hydrogen EV trucks can travel long distances, won't need huge batteries to power it and can refuel and be on the road instantly - same as diesel trucks today. Then there's hydrogen creation, transport and storage. Right now it is mostly made from fossil fuel but you can use solar energy, wind energy and other renewable forms to make it. You can ship it, store it and use it when needed. This means places without the ability to generate clean electricity can get shipped clean energy sources. Heck, the same hydrogen that powers a car can be used to power homes as well.
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05-02-2023, 05:35 AM | #2161 | |
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Get a brand that works. With the performance the range and the network to back it up. But nah I guess it’s also cool to bitch about the inevitable, things they can’t control, a car maker they hate but sour at watching it succeed. Yeah, 2028-2030 will be fun. 2035 will be the party!!!!!!!!!! Ze move de 2035 es cumming!!!!!!’
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05-02-2023, 03:39 PM | #2162 |
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This my friends ...makes a lot of sense . Do yourself a favour and Skip to minute 1 to see a real intelligent guy speak
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05-02-2023, 03:47 PM | #2164 | |
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At the start if this I thought hydrogen made more sense, but the more I looked into it the more issues seem to come up with hydrogen. Now add to that the momentum already in place with evs and I don't really see hydrogen taking off anytime soon, except maybe for some niche markets. |
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05-02-2023, 04:59 PM | #2165 |
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Hydrogen definitely isn't the future.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electr...el%20as%20BEVs Disadvantages of hydrogen cars: Patchy refuelling infrastructure (just 11 H2 stations open to the British public in early 2022) Technology still expensive – pricier than battery electric vehicles Fuel-cells not as efficient well-to-wheel as BEVs Cleanliness depends on how hydrogen is produced What are 2 dangers of using hydrogen as a fuel? Specifically, hydrogen has a wide range of flammable concentrations in air and lower ignition energy than gasoline or natural gas, which means it can ignite more easily. Consequently, adequate ventilation and leak detection are important elements in the design of safe hydrogen systems. This one is cool Will hydrogen overtake electric? A new study published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature has confirmed what common sense has made clear for years: Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles aren't likely to catch up to battery-electric vehicles – even for commercial trucks. The auto industry has been divided on solutions to remove emissions from their products. What are the 3 cons of hydrogen? The disadvantages of using hydrogen as fuel If it is “grey”, it pollutes. If it is not produced using renewable sources, hydrogen pollutes. ... It is a gas that is difficult to handle. ... It is less advantageous than electric power for cars. I mean i can keep going with these articles but i don't wanna bury the hydrogen argument too far into the grave because i like when people come up with aimless reasoning as to why they don't want an EV future. Well too late, because??????? 2035 on ze move!!!!!
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Charging stations depend on the grid, and that's a whole different story about supply and delivery. Making assumptions is typically bad form, and this scenario is no exception. add to this that most cars are charged at night when there is very little green power, and the flaw in this thinking becomes more egregious. All this EV stuff depends on something no one seems to be aware of where or how it actually it gets made and delivered. If you don't know where these watts will come from (meaning it's not baked into the plan), you have no business making such plans. And no, "somebody else will figure that out..." is not an acceptable answer. |
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05-02-2023, 05:18 PM | #2167 |
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Carbon offsetting..Carbon capture..efuel..hydrogen...phev...ev...
The more I think about it the less I think there is any chance that any of those is going to replace our reliance on fossil fuel over the next 12 years. If you live enlightened in this knowledge its easy. There's always people driven by ideology and by money to make sacrifices and adjustments but majority of humans always go neither for the cheapest or the greenest..they fall in line with the path of least effort:-) |
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Disadvantages of hydrogen cars: Patchy refuelling infrastructure That's the same problem EV's have. Technology still expensive – That's the same problem EV's have Fuel-cells not as efficient well-to-wheel as BEVs Gasoline is less efficient than diesel, yet there is a time and place for both. Cleanliness depends on how hydrogen is produced That's the same problem EV's have. What are 2 dangers of using hydrogen as a fuel? As if there have been no battery fires. This one is cool: Will hydrogen overtake electric? Does it need to in order to be a good idea? This isn't some zero sum game where there can only be one solution. What are the 3 cons of hydrogen?The disadvantages of using hydrogen as fuel If it is “grey”, it pollutes. If it is not produced using renewable sources, hydrogen pollutes. ... That's the same problem EV's have. It is a gas that is difficult to handle. ... That's the same problem EV's have. you an electrician? you know what it takes to get watts into your car? It is less advantageous than electric power for cars. That's the same problem EV's have vs ICE cars. Last edited by chad86tsi; 05-02-2023 at 05:25 PM.. |
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I don't know AOC but that claim is plain stupid. It's like the mayan calendar 2012 thing ie until 2012 came how could anyone in 2010 really prove that it was utter bs though most sensible people knew it.
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While I don't question the levels of human stupidity... I still doubt anything is going to happen come 2035 or whatever. Big hoopla over nothing. Either the mandate will go away as soooo much political crap does and no one will even remember it or the grid will grow over the next decade to support it. My guess is some combination of both. The ICE ban will most likely go away AND EV sales will increase forcing upgrades to the grid. Remember when the world was going to end in 2000? |
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As for cost, as I said, you can plop hydrogen pumps at existing gas stations which is a fraction the cost of building a whole new facility. That is what most hydrogen stations are in California - a hydrogen pump at an existing gas station. And that cost of building a "charging station" is way exaggerated. It is only thousands because that one charging station can charge only a few cars. Plus hydrogen can be produced on site with solar power, there's no need to hook up to the power grid! For example, Say it costs $100k to build a "charging station" aka a single charger, that charging station can charge maybe 2 cars an hour? Say a hydrogen station is $1M, that's 10x more. That single pump can fill up 30-40 cars an hour. That is still cheaper than the charging station and way more efficient at dispensing fuel/charging.
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Let me know when hydrogen surpasses EV. lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Let's go elon with more V4 superchargers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one will catch up to sir elon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I won't need to let you know. Time will.
2028-2030 is the holy shit it's really gonna happen moment. 2035 is holy fuck i can't believe it happened moment. On ze move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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