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05-26-2023, 10:43 AM | #24 | |
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If "drivers can go long distances without touching the steering wheel or pedals", are they really driving? Is the Ultimate Driver's Machine really that any longer? |
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05-26-2023, 10:50 AM | #25 | |
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This. ....which is the reason the OP (that would be me) challenges if BMW's slogan applies when self-autonomy is the end result. |
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05-26-2023, 12:58 PM | #26 |
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Truth be told, they haven't really been the 'ultimate driving machine' in a LOOOOOOOONG time, and it didn't help that their designs have been getting more and more ridiculous/contrived/grotesque.
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05-26-2023, 03:26 PM | #28 |
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As much as I’d enjoy pouring fuel on the fire like others have, this thread is dumb. Can we talk about the stupidness of the feature and potential safety concerns, instead of poking fun at the slogan.
With that out of the way. Idk why BMW decided such a feature was good. Literally you can do this in their cars by pressing on the turn signal stalk, it’s effortless, and works well, I love it in my car. I use it all the time. What is the gain for this over pushing on a stalk? Nothing. All that time wasted in coding and engineering this feature for little purpose because they already have the feature implemented better. Some senior project dude should be fired. |
05-28-2023, 02:58 PM | #29 | |
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I'd rather BMW spend the development money on a Retromod E30.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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05-28-2023, 03:15 PM | #30 |
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BMWs biggest problem right now is its complete lack of steering feel. It's really, really bad and was one of the things that separated them from the pack. I don't know how they fix that, but electric steering is the worst thing that's happened to BMW in my opinion.
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05-28-2023, 05:34 PM | #31 | |
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05-29-2023, 10:29 AM | #32 | |
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IIRC BMW's first foray into EPS was in the E85/86 Z4 (non-M). I know some will disagree, but I think the E85/86 EPS is very, very good. So good that I did not realize my E86 (I bought used from CarMax) did not have hydraulic steering until I went looking for the PS reservoir to check the hydraulic oil level - LOL. Not seeing a pump and reservoir nor motor on the steering rack, I went to RealOEM.com to verify the power steering system. That's when I discovered BMW's E85/86 EPS powers the steering shaft rather than the steering rack. An ingenious solution, I think. Why BMW dropped that design I've never have discovered through internet searches.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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05-30-2023, 07:44 AM | #33 | |
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It forces you to answer the question; what is driving? Some would say that "driving" an automatic/DCT isn't really "driving." It's all about where you draw the line. Then again, "Ultimate Driving Machine" could simply come to mean that it's the car that drives you the best, not the car that's the best when driven by you. It's a nutty time we live in for sure. |
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05-30-2023, 08:26 AM | #34 |
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05-30-2023, 09:20 AM | #35 |
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The Ultimate Lifestyle Machine.
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05-30-2023, 09:21 AM | #36 | |
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Your reference to the steering column EPS, not currently being used, a big part of the issue is the torque values required for the heavier models. Over here the early 1 & 3-series models did use the current EPS designs, using the paraxial (APA) racks. The dual pinion (DP) racks are only fitted to models where torque required for fast interactions can cope. It's why models like the M340i in the same series have the APA paraxial EPS. Not really due to packaging constraints, as some have suggested, but APA has a higher torque rating, essential for the model. |
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05-30-2023, 09:51 AM | #37 |
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If you consider the main competitors.... Mercedes and Audi.... BMW is still quite a bit better of a driver's car in comparison. The industry in general has been slowly moving away from enthusiast focused cars for a loooong time. Yes you have lower volume exceptions (Porsche, Alfa, Cadillac BW) which are arguably better drivers cars, but BMW is a mass market luxury manufacturer and sells the most cars in their segment - so their main focus is to appeal to the masses, not us tiny minority of enthusiasts.
All that being said, they still offer a 500hp manual transmission beast of a car that loves to dance.... so I'm not complaining. If you don't want a car that changes lanes based on your eye movement, then don't buy it or just disable the feature.
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05-30-2023, 06:20 PM | #38 |
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Normally I'd shit all over BMW for this, but I've accepted the world has changed drastically in a short period of time, and BMW wants to be ahead of the curve and try to be a trendsetter in design, technology, etc. May as well join the party instead of fighting it.
But from my end I've moved onto other products that align more with my values. The 2 and 3-series still kind of got it, most of the M products including the M2/3/4, X3/4M; but the remainder of BMW's portfolio just aren't driver's cars. Anytime I take out my mom's G05 X5 I despise that floaty thing.
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05-30-2023, 07:03 PM | #40 |
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"The ultimate gaming machine"? Unfortunately, they have completely changed their views on what real drivers want. But I guess it works, since their last two years' sales have been at or near record highs. I've owned 7 Bimmers, but I'm done. Too many screens, too much money, no sticks (except M2, which is ugly). I guess they'll never care, though.
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05-30-2023, 10:02 PM | #41 | |
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The G 2/3-series are certainly improved over their predecessors but I agree not as tactile and communicative as they need to be. These cars do have a great chassis, powertrain, and relatively accurate steering with decent weighting in my opinion, but the road surface texture and resistance seem purposely muted. If the Alfa didn't exist I would be driving a 3-series though. Steering aside, it's a pretty solid car to drive, just needs to be pushed to "feel" engaged in the experience.
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My 8 is The Ultimate Driving machine. Even BMW SAVs handle better than most other manufacturers’.
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06-05-2023, 04:48 AM | #43 |
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This thread is two pages deep because BMW decided to put in tech that saves the driver from having to touch the turn stalk to initiate a lane change. An option that is likely able to be turned off. 2 pages....
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06-05-2023, 07:27 AM | #44 |
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They say M3 E92's are the best for handling with hydraulic steering and V8 power so I would award this car with the Ultimate Driving Machine badge.
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